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Thread ID: 78535	2007-04-19 06:05:00	(US) School Killer Copycats	SurferJoe46 (51)	PC World Chat

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542253	2007-04-19 22:33:00	Here in NZ and I guess most all other countries in the world, there are NO gun shops. And no place like K-Mart (= The Warehouse) that has a gun section. I think the only place to buy a gun is at hunting stores and it seems to me to be fairly low key. Can someone here buy a pistol other than an air powered one? I am not sure but if they can I believe the pistol must be kept at a registered locked up gun club, not the buyer's home. Funny how you mention that there are no gun shops, I had never thought about that before. There is a shop in ChCh that sells mainly guns and gun/shooting accessories and only a small range of hunting accessories like knives so I would consider that to be a gun shop. I don't think we have the population to support guns-only shops and the other goods are to supplement the stores' income, maybe? To buy, own or possess pistols other than "soft" air pistols you need to hold an extra endorsement on your firearms licence. To acquire this endorsement you need to be a member of an incorporated pistol club recognised by the Commissioner of the Police. You can store your pistols at your own home but there are additional security requirements and pistol/s must be transported to and from the pistol club under certain conditions.	FoxyMX (5)
542254	2007-04-19 22:36:00	You do not have to have a firearm to kill someone. People could easily hijacked a bus or some sort to go on rampage, knocking pedestrian on the footpaths.	msnforum (11610)
542255	2007-04-19 22:44:00	Foxy - thanks for the clarification. I have never seen a gun shop... let me check the yellow pages now... "Guns & Gunsmiths" ... this is interesting.... I never knew.... e.g. : Auckland Militaria Licensed Firearms Dealers SAI Guns & Ammo (Small Arms International) LTD Cannot see any gun shops as you would find in the USA. All seemed to be hunting / camping shops.	Strommer (42)
542256	2007-04-19 22:51:00	You haven't heard of Gun City then? :p :D :D	FoxyMX (5)
542257	2007-04-19 22:53:00	420 also has something to do with smoking marijuana, what's the bet that the kids who did this were just stoned and having some 'fun'? :S	byte (11156)
542258	2007-04-19 23:32:00	Yuba City close to you, Surfer? "Virginia Tech will Look Mild" Yuba City, CA - 28-year-old Jefferey Thomas Carney made threats that "Virginia Tech will look mild." He told his pastor and family members that he has an automatic rifle, explosives, and poison.The Sutter County Sheriffs Department is currently involved in the man hunt. Carney has not made threats against any specific target.Carney is a transient and meth addict. He has family in Yuba City. www.kcra.com	Strommer (42)
542259	2007-04-20 01:21:00	When I was in Colorado 20 years ago you could buy guns in department stores. I remember my mate and I drooling over .357s and the assistant was most helpful about us getting our hands on one. But alas common sense prevailed :groan: This is a cultural problem. The right to bear arms is very deeply enshrined in the American psyche. It is also contained in the Second Amendment to the Constitution which makes any changes of the law extremely difficult. The Democratic Party have dropped gun control from their policies because it just won't fly. Consider Switzerland and Israel. Both are armed camps by our standards. Virtually every household contains guns yet the murder rate is mundane - no different to other Western nations which have strict gun control. So what we have with Virginia and Collumbine is a specifically American problem. It is part of the culture to resolve problems with a gun.	Winston001 (3612)
542260	2007-04-20 02:06:00	Well said Metla. 200 people die in Iraq and it was only reported 20 minutes into last nights TV1 news. Pah! Of course they lead with more stuff about this disturbed young man in Virginia. It's a horrible tragedy but still pales beside the bomb which killed an estimated 140 Iraquis in a marketplace yesterday.	Winston001 (3612)
542261	2007-04-20 02:26:00	Consider Switzerland and Israel. Both are armed camps by our standards. Virtually every household contains guns yet the murder rate is mundane - no different to other Western nations which have strict gun control. Very interesting. Thanks Winston. Its good to know these things when considering the gun - murder problems in the USA.	Strommer (42)
542262	2007-04-20 04:32:00	Yuba City close to you, Surfer? "Virginia Tech will Look Mild" Yuba City, CA - 28-year-old Jefferey Thomas Carney made threats that "Virginia Tech will look mild . " He told his pastor and family members that he has an automatic rifle, explosives, and poison . The Sutter County Sheriffs Department is currently involved in the man hunt . Carney has not made threats against any specific target . Carney is a transient and meth addict . He has family in Yuba City . Hmmmm . . . OK . . fair enough . . . Yuba City is 'way up 40 miles North of Sacramento, the capitol of California . That would be about 513 mi (about 7 hours 59 mins at 65 mph) from here . The "automatic rifle" part is just yellow journalism ( . tnt . tv/movies/tntoriginals/roughriders/jour . home . html" target="_blank">alt . tnt . tv) . "Automatic" and "rifle" are usually used in full-automatic, rapid-cycling weapons that are military in use as civilians cannot possess such a weapon without a collector's permit which is a Federally Licensed activity . The explosives are another licensed purchase too . . . and not very likely unless he's into mining or water well technology . . etc . The poison is for himself I guess . I have a pyrotechnician's license and CAN buy explosives of certain classes . . . nuclear and thermal devices are not on my license . I used that license to purchase explosives for demolition and water well work, usually primer cord . James: One more to go, Steve! Do you carry firearms, SurferJoe? No . . I do not carry a gun . . . although it IS legal under certain circumstances . I sold all of the weapons I had quite a few years ago . They included: Smith & Wesson Model60 ( . horstheld . com/ACN6614 . jpg" target="_blank">www . horstheld . com), stainless steel 38 caliber revolver 16 Gauge Eastern Arms single action shotgun Remington 22 cal Gold Medalist ( . google . com/imgres?imgurl=http://www . simpsonltd . com/product_thumb . php%3Fimg%3Dimages/Handguns/C5638A . jpg%26w%3D100%26h%3D66&imgrefurl=http://www . simpsonltd . com/product_info_13 . php%3Fproducts_id%3D384&h=66&w=100&sz=2&hl=en&start=61&sig2=HCOepO7JTVt7ZZkgbM6I3A&tbnid=ldzIBRL_kz3fGM:&tbnh=54&tbnw=82&ei=4ysoRsTlAaCaggP_46GbDw&prev=/images%3Fq%3DRemington%2BMedalist%26start%3D60%26g" target="_blank">images . google . com bv%3D2%26ndsp%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26safe%3 Doff%26sa%3DN) pistol, semi-automatic 12 Gauge Mossberg "Street-Sweeper" ( . google . com/imgres?imgurl=http://content . answers . com/main/content/wp/en-commons/thumb/d/d1/350px-Shotgun_Mossberg_590 . jpg&imgrefurl=http://www . answers . com/topic/riot-shotgun&h=135&w=350&sz=8&hl=en&start=18&sig2=DI5eny3fyuSsxgewjtjP1g&tbnid=eVwGW0p4nH-qAM:&tbnh=46&tbnw=120&ei=qzMoRqSNLZveggO89fyZDw&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpump%252Bmossberg%26gbv%3D2%26svnum%3" target="_blank">images . google . com D10%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG) riot shotgun, semi-automatic . 8 Gauge Verey Pistol, signal gun, marine style for my boats, single shot US Military 7 . 62mm (30 . 06) M-1 Garand ( . rt66 . com/~korteng/SmallArms/m1rifle . html" target="_blank">www . rt66 . com), sportorized, semi-automatic rifle . US Navy replica 36 cal "Cap & Ball" revolver J . C . Higgins 22cal Long rifle, semi-automatic, tube feed M1911 45 cal pistol, military sportorized version Steve L: Here in NZ and I guess most all other countries in the world, there are NO gun shops . And no place like K-Mart (= The Warehouse) that has a gun section . I think the only place to buy a gun is at hunting stores and it seems to me to be fairly low key . OK . . . The Warehouse is (I believe) no longer in business, but it never sold guns or ammunition that I knew about . It was a records, audio tapes type music store . Just before it went out of business, as far as I know, it also sold high end stereos and auto tape and cd players . I don't believe I have seen one of their stores for years, at least not in my area . Wal-Mart and K-Mart sell only shotguns and paintball guns nowadays . You might find a CO2 pistol or rifle, but even they are being removed from the counters for sale . We have many guns and ammo stores like Big-5 ( . big5sportinggoods . com/), Turner's (http://www . turners . com/" target="_blank">www . big5sportinggoods . com/), Turner's (http:), and other gun shops (http://www . gunshopfinder . com/) everywhere . They also sell archery equipment, camping gear, athletic shoes and uniforms, hats and caps, fishing tackle, boats and outboard motors, etc . . . etc . Winston: Consider Switzerland and Israel . Both are armed camps by our standards . Virtually every household contains guns yet the murder rate is mundane - no different to other Western nations which have strict gun control . So what we have with Virginia and Collumbine is a specifically American problem . It is part of the culture to resolve problems with a gun . I feel that's a bad comparison, there Winston . Switzerland issues weapons to every son or daughter to own after they have all received military training and spent a few years under military color . Some of the nutcases here with weapons are GI Joe wannabees and they see themselves as saviors or angels of mercy for the masses . The fact that they gloat on owning a weapon is also possibly indicative of desires that are not met in reality . Maybe their mom did them a bad turn as a child, or they got dropped on their head during a diaper change . . who knows . The problem is the screening situation of those who apply to purchase a weapon, the database is not concise enough . . . OK, that's a cop-out I know . If weapons were kept outta the hands of these people, then they'd FIND a way to perform this crime in whatever way they can assemble . I think the argument of violence in the movies or vid games might have some issue to consider . Where does the mind of a sick-o go from virtual murder to the real thing? I also don't believe that if you play an LP of the Beatles Magical Mystery Tour backwards and then go out and kill a city full of people, that you can say it was the Beatle's fault . It's not a viable argument . . . it isn't even good psychobabble . That person was already psycho BEFORE the music . Here's a real problem . . . and youse guys are part of this answer too . I don't like anyone looking into my garbage or lifestyle or reading my mail or spying on my computer activities or questioning my loyalty to my wife, children and parents . I find it nasty enough that I have to bare my soul to buy a home, a car or even buy some beer to prove that I am of age, can financially pay for the loan or am a parent in good standing in some bureaucrat's files somewhere . And this I see as the real problem . How far will you go to make sure your neighbor isn't a gun-nut or some sort of WMD-maker or a mad bomber . . etc . . etc . ? Do the same rules apply to YOU if your neighbors want to find out about that "strange person who sits at a computer all day long" and doesn't perform the human acts that THEY consider NORMAL? See what I mean? What microscope are YOU willing to sit under for the security and sanctity of your neighbors? Now . . . on to the Second Amendment . . . . it is basically a RIGHT to bear arms . . . much like Switzerland and Israel have to do . . . even by their young adults being trained to fire, clean and recognize a real target and threat to the general composition of the public . I don't feel that I am a threat to anyone around me if I own a weapon . . . can I say the same about YOU? Can I moderate your possessions or desires to admire the mechanics of a weapon? The resultant invasion of privacy is the real issue . Just where do you stop peering into someone else's lifestyle and judge whether they can or cannot buy, own or handle a weapon? Not the whole issue, I know . . but not one of those points can be pushed away as insignificant or non-meaningful . After all, we are products of nature and nurture . . . the outcome is usually positive in most cases . There are always gonna be 2%ers out there with vendettas, bad haircuts or a yearning to correct the whole world . In a nation with so many diverse people/lifestyles/pampering and social graduation in the schools, who are a product of our own ineptitude in education and instilling morals . What I DON'T believe however, is that if NZ had the same population as such a large country as the US, then things'd not be different there too .	SurferJoe46 (51)
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