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Thread ID: 78555	2007-04-20 04:37:00	restricted vs. full drivers licence test -How much can you fail?	markh (12164)	PC World Chat

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542503	2007-04-20 04:37:00	How much things are you allowed to get wrong in the restricted licence test before you fail? vs. How much things are you allowed to get wrong in the full licence test before you fail?	markh (12164)
542504	2007-04-20 05:00:00	The LTSA fact sheets suggest 80% overall to pass full, no similar figure for restricted. Just go for 100% and live longer.	PaulD (232)
542505	2007-04-20 05:04:00	Ideally you'd hope that you'd be failing nothing, otherwise you're doing something wrong and you shouldn't be on the road.	somebody (208)
542506	2007-04-20 08:22:00	"somebody" - It's not quite that simple, for example in my restricted I didn't get 100% because I didn't indicate out of a roundabout (I went just after they had brought the rule in) and because I couldn't make a 3 point turn with out driving on to the churb in the smallest side street in town while driving a long wheel base 4x4 hiace. When I went for my full I didn't get 100% because although I had identified multiple hazards during the test I missed 1 stop sign (I forgot to say "stop sign is a hazard" because I was to busy making sure I didn't pull out infront of anyone while I was stopped at this stop sing), I also didn't identify double yellow lines as a hazard (they didn't seem dangerous to me) and I didn't Identify a tree branch hiding a sign as a hazard. So as you can see it's a bit of a stretch to tell him to get 100%, when during a 45min test any minor mistake like not identifying something (see above) can take marks off.	Faded_Mantis (79)
542507	2007-04-20 09:39:00	"somebody" - It's not quite that simple, for example in my restricted I didn't get 100% because I didn't indicate out of a roundabout (I went just after they had brought the rule in) and because I couldn't make a 3 point turn with out driving on to the churb in the smallest side street in town while driving a long wheel base 4x4 hiace. When I went for my full I didn't get 100% because although I had identified multiple hazards during the test I missed 1 stop sign (I forgot to say "stop sign is a hazard" because I was to busy making sure I didn't pull out infront of anyone while I was stopped at this stop sing), I also didn't identify double yellow lines as a hazard (they didn't seem dangerous to me) and I didn't Identify a tree branch hiding a sign as a hazard. So as you can see it's a bit of a stretch to tell him to get 100%, when during a 45min test any minor mistake like not identifying something (see above) can take marks off. I agree completely. I didn't pass 100% when I got my licence, but the idea really is to go in with the mindset that you must do everything right. If you think "oh - I can afford to do x number of things wrong", then you will likely end up failing because you exceeded that number by 1 or 2 errors. Its the same thing with kids in schools these days - thinking they will aim to "just" pass NCEA qualifications for example, then something going wrong and they end up having to repeat the year because they were a couple of credits short.	somebody (208)
542508	2007-04-20 09:47:00	"somebody" - It's not quite that simple, for example in my restricted I didn't get 100% because I didn't indicate out of a roundabout (I went just after they had brought the rule in) and because I couldn't make a 3 point turn with out driving on to the churb in the smallest side street in town while driving a long wheel base 4x4 hiace. When I went for my full I didn't get 100% because although I had identified multiple hazards during the test I missed 1 stop sign (I forgot to say "stop sign is a hazard" because I was to busy making sure I didn't pull out infront of anyone while I was stopped at this stop sing), I also didn't identify double yellow lines as a hazard (they didn't seem dangerous to me) and I didn't Identify a tree branch hiding a sign as a hazard. So as you can see it's a bit of a stretch to tell him to get 100%, when during a 45min test any minor mistake like not identifying something (see above) can take marks off. I used to be a Traffic Cop with the Auckland City Council then I joined the Ministry of Transport. I used to do driver license testing for the MOT in Auckland. I remember getting a phone call from a concerned person who's Sister I was going to take for the practical. She said,"My Sister had memorised the eye test and really needs to use glasses or contacts to be able to see." Or words to that effect. I took note of that and when this person came in I had turned the eye chart around and gave her another test. Her eyesight was heaps better than mine. She could read the reverse side of the chart and I could not. A person I did give a licence to killed himself on the road about three weeks later. At that time he passed the test and I was not going to fault his driving. I felt this person had an attitude problem but all I had at that time was little boxes to check. He bet his mates that he could get his vehicle up to 75 MPH in a certain street. I guess he did Now about "hazards" Did you identify any person talking on a cellphone? Any driver whom looks at their Spouse or friend or kids or scenery while driving. Any driver who needs to have a pee and it it is really urgent now. Driving with your legs crossed is not condusive to safety. Driving to me is a full time occupation. You can't be distracted. Double yellow lines means "do not pass" Was passed today twice whilst sitting on 100KPH. Double yellow lines are only a harzard if you or another happen to cross over. Today noticed that there was a person sitting so close behind I could not see the car very often in my side mirrors. No actual centre rear view as I was driving a truck. I turned my lights on briefly and hoped the person would drop back. Nope. Observation and Experience is the key for me. Keep yourself safe. BTW happened to notice two Police cars did not indicate left turn off a roundabout. Right signal yes. Left signal no and this when straight through. If I think this through I can go round and round signalling right all the time and I'm fairly sure other drivers will be confused.	Sweep (90)
542509	2007-04-20 11:01:00	I used to be a Traffic Cop with the Auckland City Council then I joined the Ministry of Transport. I used to do driver license testing for the MOT in Auckland. I remember getting a phone call from a concerned person who's Sister I was going to take for the practical. She said,"My Sister had memorised the eye test and really needs to use glasses or contacts to be able to see." Or words to that effect. I took note of that and when this person came in I had turned the eye chart around and gave her another test. Her eyesight was heaps better than mine. She could read the reverse side of the chart and I could not. A person I did give a licence to killed himself on the road about three weeks later. At that time he passed the test and I was not going to fault his driving. I felt this person had an attitude problem but all I had at that time was little boxes to check. He bet his mates that he could get his vehicle up to 75 MPH in a certain street. I guess he did Now about "hazards" Did you identify any person talking on a cellphone? Any driver whom looks at their Spouse or friend or kids or scenery while driving. Any driver who needs to have a pee and it it is really urgent now. Driving with your legs crossed is not condusive to safety. Driving to me is a full time occupation. You can't be distracted. Double yellow lines means "do not pass" Was passed today twice whilst sitting on 100KPH. Double yellow lines are only a harzard if you or another happen to cross over. Today noticed that there was a person sitting so close behind I could not see the car very often in my side mirrors. No actual centre rear view as I was driving a truck. I turned my lights on briefly and hoped the person would drop back. Nope. Observation and Experience is the key for me. Keep yourself safe. BTW happened to notice two Police cars did not indicate left turn off a roundabout. Right signal yes. Left signal no and this when straight through. If I think this through I can go round and round signalling right all the time and I'm fairly sure other drivers will be confused. After the road rules were recently changed, people have got confused, and now I find that hardly anyone signals left to exit when they are going straight across a roundabout.	rogerp (6864)
542510	2007-04-20 11:07:00	Double yellow lines means "do not pass" Was passed today twice whilst sitting on 100KPH. Double yellow lines are only a harzard if you or another happen to cross over. Do you know if people are allowed to turn right across the centre line to (eg to turn off to go down a driveway), when the road has double yellow lines. eg they have to go across the yellow lines. I find that people do this all the time on the Petone part of the motorway in Wellington. I have seen too many crashes their, where people litrally stop on the motorway, blocking traffic, so they can turn right across the yellow lines. It is one of the most dangerous roads in NZ, and they should put thise wire median thingees instead of the yellow lines.	rogerp (6864)
542511	2007-04-20 11:30:00	After the road rules were recently changed, people have got confused, and now I find that hardly anyone signals left to exit when they are going straight across a roundabout.Because this is really DUMB law change. Common sense should prevail - drivers approaching a roundabout should just open their eyes and use their brains... If they can't do that, remove them from the road.:groan:	johcar (6283)
542512	2007-04-20 11:32:00	They're still _supposed_ to signal left off a round-about. When I went to sit my restricted some 4-odd years ago I made sure I practiced and made a point of that for a month worth of driving before-hand. I passed my restricted with the only comment "You didnt have to change into 2nd gear while turning right into that street, you could have stayed in 3rd". I passed my Full license perfectly. Seriously, so much safer to signal off a round-about, and now that Im riding a motorbike I see so many idiots on the road, its totally opened my eyes to a world of idiot drivers that dont signal, tailgate, drive while drinking / on the phone / smoking / writing on a clipboard / eating, and Ive even seen somebody doing a combination of all those 4 things! Seriously, I wonder if some people got their license from a weet-bix packet at times!	Chilling_Silence (9)
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