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| Thread ID: 150575 | 2022-04-05 00:53:00 | Buy EV's they say, save the planet | wainuitech (129) | PC World Chat |
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| 1485355 | 2022-04-05 00:53:00 | Yeah if you can get one maybe, looks like 2nd hand may be a bit of a problem. AND who can afford new ? www.stuff.co.nz (www.stuff.co.nz Y7bji5jCDoNLcUM-KE218OI) :waughh: |
wainuitech (129) | ||
| 1485356 | 2022-04-05 01:47:00 | Or pay the every increasing oil prices. | psycik (12851) | ||
| 1485357 | 2022-04-05 02:22:00 | And could end up being shipping companies simply refusing to ship EV's to small markets. Another fire on another ship with Electric cars could see the end of NZ's EV car supply . It could also get to be importing replacement EV batts into NZ becoming a real issue , if shipping companies refuse to ship large car replacement lithium batt banks just worst case scenarios but .... ....The precedent is there many airlines & couriers banning lithium batts as cargo (unless allready installed in the device) Some laptop replacement batts were unavailable for a while as the official NZ parts distributor couldnt import them :courier issues, they couldnt get them sent here. Yes, Id love an Electric car. Zero chance I'll be able to afford one . |
1101 (13337) | ||
| 1485358 | 2022-04-05 06:15:00 | Not to mention the maintenance costs after you've mortgaged yourself to buy one....nah, I'll stick with my current vehicle, rather fond of it. | piroska (17583) | ||
| 1485359 | 2022-04-05 06:29:00 | That argue with proper EVs, the maintenance costs should be very low. Even brake nada don’t wear out because of regen. And very little fluids Plug-in hybrids and hybrids are a different kettle of fish however. |
psycik (12851) | ||
| 1485360 | 2022-04-05 07:16:00 | They are still too expensive to buy that's undeniable, but maintenance costs are not an issue. You have brake fluid and pads, tyres, maybe some grease points, and um... wiper fluid. Oh and the cabin air filter. All things regular cars also have. Brakes pads do last much longer on EVs and also hybrids due to regen braking. There are users on US leaf forums claiming to have got 70-80 even 100 thousand miles (not km) out of the original set. No oil changes, no spark plugs, no timing belt, not belts at all actually, no alternator, no starter motor, etc. Yes they can not compete at all with a cheap reliable petrol car in terms of price or range or refuel speed and if those are your main concerns don't even think about electric cars this decade, they are not for you. No reason to hate on them though, you can still keep using the cars you prefer. Realistically if you can afford to buy one now you can likely manage to get the battery replaced if it seems worth it 10+ years down the track or whenever it fails, that's the big stumbling block that stops a lot of buyers. So far it seems like battery failure is not going to big quite the big deal a lot of naysayers think it is. Some of the newer batteries may well outlast the car. What may happen (according to my crystal ball) is in 5-10 years when there are better cheaper electric cars being made some of the current models will lose a lot of value with their older technologies and might start to be good affordable options. I also hope that once the majority of the cars on the road are electric the market for replacement batteries will be large enough to bring prices down. |
dugimodo (138) | ||
| 1485361 | 2022-04-05 07:46:00 | If the battery outlasts the car, then the car is a rolling pile of junk! If the battery wears out, you're going to pay $10,000+ to replace it. Yes the owner may be able to afford it but let's be realistic, the kind of person who can afford to buy an EV usually trade in their cars often anyway. For many faced with that bill, how many people will just go "Oh well I'll just get new car then, it's not worth it.." We don't see people replacing $8000+ engines all the time currently, they just write the car off usually... And if the whole point of EVs is to be better for the planet etc, the answer should NOT be to "just buy another car in 5-10 years". They should be making them to last as long as possible so the sunk environmental cost of manufacture has a chance to actually be paid back. In 5-10 years the current models will be in an even worse position for battery health and even less desirable. There's going to be wreckers yards full of otherwise good EVs just because nobody wants to buy a car with a bad battery they have to replace straight away. EVs are not really going to solve anything, just move the current problems and transmute them from one form to another... |
Agent_24 (57) | ||
| 1485362 | 2022-04-05 08:48:00 | Reminiscent of the days when LPG and CNG were touted as the answer to motoring economy. As a pensioner, I can't afford an EV and certainly not replace the batteries in one. I might look at an electric mobility scooter when they come with a range of 500 kms and cross-country capability. |
Blue Druid (4480) | ||
| 1485363 | 2022-04-05 20:29:00 | They are still too expensive to buy that's undeniable, but maintenance costs are not an issue. You have brake fluid and pads, tyres, maybe some grease points, and um... wiper fluid. Oh and the cabin air filter. . I was meaning the cost of replacement batteries. |
piroska (17583) | ||
| 1485364 | 2022-04-05 23:00:00 | Raw materials will be the problem, as the world population was at crisis point in 1979 and that from memory was 2 billion and now it stands at over 7 billion. One only needs to look at the Amazon rain forest and the problems that is causing. NZ once had 80,000,000 million sheep and now it's more respectable at 23 million I'm thinking. China's increased family limit of 2 won't be helping either, let alone India. lurking. |
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