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Thread ID: 96781	2009-01-22 11:58:00	Is it legal to connect to my neighbors unsecure network	justinitpractice (13286)	Press F1

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741171	2009-01-23 02:30:00	Sorry bit busy just sold coilover adjustable kit, thats budget for the day baby!!! Yeah I don't actually have a password it's a "passphrase" or something like that and it seems to not remember it on my media pc. I'll try and set it to remember settings or save setting tonight cause it is getting annoying	Q man (14225)
741172	2009-01-23 02:30:00	The best thing to do is simply go to your neighbor and let them know that their wireless network is not secure. Offer them wireless security options (if you can) or pass on to someone who can provide this service then DISCONNECT & DO NOT USE THEIR WIRELESS CONNECTION at all. Simple! they live up the road i dont even know where, im cant go knock on every1s door asking if its ther wireless but thanks for the advice	justinitpractice (13286)
741173	2009-01-26 08:23:00	A few things come to mind here: 1) Whilst most people arent smart enough to to check their router to see who's connected or been connected within the last 24 hours (I do semi-regularly), some do. They'll have your PC name & MAC address logged, in which case if they really wanted to do something about it, the relevant authorities could match it to your PC / Laptops MAC Address. 2) There's the possibility of getting infected with some sort of malware / virus. How do you know they update their PC and have AV software? You could connect and find yourself subject to viruses, if not immediately, then if / when they become infected. 3) There are a few "honeypot" places setup designed to trick people into logging in and use somebody elses wireless just to catch them and give them a good spanking, so to speak. Its not likely, but possible this is it too. 4) Again, they can see your PC, and its not difficult to unleash hell on a machine if you really want to. Its a two-way deal. In short - Just dont do it. I'd be interested to know the fine / sentence if convicted of such a crime, it wouldnt be hard to convict somebody surely!	Chilling_Silence (9)
741174	2009-01-26 20:12:00	they live up the road i dont even know where, im cant go knock on every1s door asking if its ther wireless but thanks for the advice Hehe ...not to mention that PCWorld knows your IP Address, and therefore ISP and if pushed you could be located and charges laid ... afterall you have admitted to committing a crime	thekiwi (13345)
741175	2009-01-27 00:10:00	Interesting point ;) Its not hard to do a lookup on your ISP, contact them with an IP, the time that the IP was posting, have your ISP track down the UserID that was using that IP at that time, they'll presumably have your home / postal address.. from there you can check computer logs, Im sure Windows notes down what wireless networks you've been connecting to in the Log viewer, not to mention a scan of nearby networks wouldnt be too difficult to find an open network and check the logs of the owners router to see who's been connecting .... ;)	Chilling_Silence (9)
741176	2009-01-27 07:09:00	Well, despite the 100% opposition to this so far, I'm going to argue FOR this bloke helping himself. An analogy - this ain't like he's stealing their car for a joyride. It's more analogous to a property in the street with a big huge fruit tree, overloaded with ripe friut, and with a couple of limbs hanging out over the footpath. He's simply on the footpath, and lo, there's friut hanging above him, and some ripe friut sitting on the ground as well. Is it a crime for him to pick up the fruit? I have people coming INTO my property to steal fruit every season. Without permission. But if friut is falling onto the footpath, then it is fair game! These bozos need to secure their network. The best way to wake them up (without knocking on every door in the street to find them) is to bleed them of bandwidth. Another angle, how do you know the difference between someone willingly allowing a 'hot spot' for others, and a bozo who knows no better? Coffe shops and businesses do this to encourage laptop toting customers. How do we know it's not a willing provider? How do we know it isn't someone who only uses 0.05% of their monthly allowance, coz all they use is email, and is making their other 99.95% available to others? And as for being tracked down, or infected via their computer... well only if your machine is already insecure or have your name broadcast via the connection profile. They can't identify you from your MAC address without getting their hands onto your hardware, and frankly, nobody, not even the police or ISP's will be bothered to track this unless you're doing some very nasty stuff, the'll just tell the 'victims' to secure their network and to shut the # up! Well, that's my 2 cents anyway. Personally, I avoid using my wireless hardware as much as possible, because you can't beat wired for speed and security.	Paul.Cov (425)
741177	2009-01-27 07:13:00	Just replying to your last sentence: Wireless is getting incredibly close to the speeds of Wired networking, especially with the N standard;)	Blam (54)
741178	2009-01-27 07:32:00	It's more analogous to a property in the street with a big huge fruit tree, overloaded with ripe friut, and with a couple of limbs hanging out over the footpath. He's simply on the footpath, and lo, there's friut hanging above him, and No, it's not. Most likely the neighbor has a data cap and the OP is stealing a fraction of that data cap.	qazwsxokmijn (102)
741179	2009-01-27 07:42:00	Probably, it would be different if the guy with the wireless internet had unlimited bandwidth, in which I would be sitting outside his house downloading movies all day:p Blam	Blam (54)
741180	2009-01-27 10:12:00	Interesting point ;) Its not hard to do a lookup on your ISP, contact them with an IP, the time that the IP was posting, have your ISP track down the UserID that was using that IP at that time, they'll presumably have your home / postal address.. from there you can check computer logs, Im sure Windows notes down what wireless networks you've been connecting to in the Log viewer, not to mention a scan of nearby networks wouldnt be too difficult to find an open network and check the logs of the owners router to see who's been connecting .... ;) I dont get this? If I had no phone and internet connection and I connected to a neighbours wireless internet connection then how will they know it was me? Still, its wrong so stop it!	sam m (517)
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