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Thread ID: 78725	2007-04-26 07:31:00	Immigrate to China anyone?	pctek (84)	PC World Chat

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544462	2007-04-27 10:41:00	In other words they had a dollar each way on the outcome while the rest of the world died to protect their arses.. Fortunately Switzerland did take in refugees during WW2. Yep. they did not take part in WW2. Then we have Norway and Quislings. Personally I dislike WAR but even some neighbours in New Zealand have very serious disagreements as I see on TV sometimes.	Sweep (90)
544463	2007-04-27 21:28:00	I don't like seeing it happen but we have a high-wage economy compared to most of the world. Its just that we only compare ourselves with the rich nations and forget about the vast billions of people who live on very low incomes. Right so we get paid too much. About the Skellerup factory in China. Staff get a wage rise every year. There is no annual leave but the work calendar is manipulated so that workers end up with 3 weeks leave anyway. The company pays insurance and pensions. They get 12 weeks maternity leave. They get a cooked meal each day. They get about $160 a month. This enables them to pay off a house in 16 years. However as most are women, and their husbands are working for more than them, most pay off their houses in 4 years. They lead simple lives but dress well, eat well and their income is sufficient. That was in the paper today. The NZ average house price here is $335,000. Mortgage payments per fortnight over 25 years is $1400.	pctek (84)
544464	2007-04-27 22:15:00	Spent a few days in Malaysia coming back from India. That was illuminating. An educated skilled population with impressively engineered roads and buildings. And everything was half the price or less of NZ. Which part of Malaysia did you go, Winston? If you traveled around West Coast of West Malaysia, you are seeing the right thing. Having said so, despite the nice overhead bridges that run across highways, the very fundamental of road maintenance is still being neglected in Malaysia, as evident by more and more spring-up of potholes in most residential areas. This is not the first time that a production firm of a company has to be shifted offshore. It is rather unfortunate that this issue has not been tackled with efficiency by the government as more big-time companies are going to do the same thing. For example, the day after F&P declared they are shifting their production factories to Thailand, Sleepyhead follows suit in order to cut down their costs. I guess if there are proper long-term economic plannings, things might have been be better off. Cheers :)	Renmoo (66)
544465	2007-04-29 09:26:00	Pretty obvious there is a lot of ignorance about Switzerland, sad really in this day and age of the Internet, the Knowledge Economy, the Great OE, and Google. Take the last comment first, just look at a map of Europe, Germany to the north, Austria to the east, Italy to the south, and (occupied) France to the west. Just how anyone could think Switzerland could have been anything other than neutral is beyond belief. Whatever skullduggery Switzerland got up to with her banks, Jewish and German gold and trade with Germany during the war, return of Jews to Germany etc doesn't change that 'geopolitic' situation. For the record I seem to remember the Swiss shot down some Me109s that intruded into her airspace. For no one to associate precision with Switzerland is also beyond belief. They have been the worlds leading manufacturer of super high precision machine tools, measuring instruments and small parts, even if names like Reishauer, Tornos, Schaublin, SIP, Tesa, Goulder Mikron etc etc mean nothing I'd have thought the names Omega and Rolex would be known? Then there are the large organisations like Brown-Boveri, now Asea, and Sulzers. The world has beat a path to their door to buy such things, machine tools, power stations, cuckoo clocks :) (unlike New Zealand), even their cheeses and chocolates attract a premium. There was a "vision" before 1984, that New Zealand could pull itself up and get into high-tech, high value manufacturing, how misguided :lol: I Miss My Swiss (My Swiss Miss Misses Me) (www.redhotjazz.com) I thought Roger started to do a good job,pity his tax cuts didn;t come to fruition. Sitting here in Bagkok at the moment and it is hot. Strange place,such poverty right next to rich hotels and seemingly well off Thais. Had a gutsful of having to argue price on everything.	Cicero (40)
544466	2007-04-29 10:19:00	I thought Roger started to do a good job,pity his tax cuts didn;t come to fruition . Sitting here in Bagkok at the moment and it is hot . Strange place,such poverty right next to rich hotels and seemingly well off Thais . Had a gutsful of having to argue price on everything . Change did have to come to New Zealand, there were too many manufacturers who had the attitude that they could sell everything they made because there was no competition, they were protected . It didn't matter about quality necessarily, again because there was no competition, no standard of comparison . That was the attitude that DSIR was turning around . However there were also good manufacturers who made product (and services) to international standards . When the supports that industry had enjoyed, like import licencing, were removed so quickly, so much local industry went down the tubes because of the speed of the changes, and because no alternative schemes were put in place . It did not take any great imagination for the politicians to knock down and destroy, but they did not have the vision or imagination to cope with the damage they had created . They thought market forces would solve all problems . Enjoy your stay Cic . :)	Terry Porritt (14)
544467	2007-04-29 10:40:00	Just to amplify a bit further, it made no sense for example, for a firm like Atlas to continue to make garden tools like spades and forks (this in the late1980s) when much cheaper Chinese made garden tools were being imported that did in fact conform to the BS standards, and were equal quality to Atlas. On the other hand it would have made a lot of sense to have set up a high precision - high value helicopter gears manufacturing plant, as was contemplated in conjunction with Westlands at one time.	Terry Porritt (14)
544468	2007-04-30 04:55:00	Just to amplify a bit further, it made no sense for example, for a firm like Atlas to continue to make garden tools like spades and forks (this in the late1980s) when much cheaper Chinese made garden tools were being imported that did in fact conform to the BS standards, and were equal quality to Atlas. On the other hand it would have made a lot of sense to have set up a high precision - high value helicopter gears manufacturing plant, as was contemplated in conjunction with Westlands at one time. Problem with all that is,who decides which is which. For the moment can;t wait to leave Thai and get to England. I will look up Brum for you T.	Cicero (40)
544469	2007-04-30 06:35:00	Might want to rethink moving to China pctek: www.nzherald.co.nz	somebody (208)
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