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Thread ID: 78857	2007-04-30 16:24:00	America's Cup - anyone else following it?	Greg (193)	PC World Chat

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545747	2007-05-01 18:53:00	This concern about money spent and wasted on these luxury "yachts" is all out of proportions... I think it's a good idea for the vast sums spent..the money goes to jobbers and designers and even the Kevlar fiber manufacturers...and it all trickles down to the commons. Had a friend in NASA who thought the US Space Program should at least be sending candy or even fireworks aloft..it was not the end results..it was the money flow and getting to everyone. He also said to not bank on the auto industry to support the trickle-down theory..it has, after all, a limited time to exist. Maybe a little apocalyptic, but a good argument.	SurferJoe46 (51)
545748	2007-05-01 21:01:00	The trickle-down theory has been discounted and exposed as a fraud and right wing fabrication years ago, what a joke, more jobs for burger flippers and hairdressers if they are lucky. The rich hold onto the money and it does not get to the workers.	zqwerty (97)
545749	2007-05-02 08:23:00	The trickle-down theory has been discounted and exposed as a fraud and right wing fabrication years ago, what a joke, more jobs for burger flippers and hairdressers if they are lucky . The rich hold onto the money and it does not get to the workers . C'mon!!!! The rich don't get their hands dirty . . . . . . . . . . . they need someone to mold and lay up fiberglass and Kevlar® and resin and run a chopper gun and rove the keel and then sew up sails and paint hulls and polish the brass and install the screws and remove dead bug from their windshields and fix flat tires on the trailers that haul the boats . . . . see? . . . . . . . . they need machine shops and welders and pipe fitters and guys with clipboards to watch over all the other worker bees . . . . . . they need people to create forms, people to print the forms, people to fill out the forms, people to fold and mail the forms, people to receive the forms, people to open the envelopes that contain the forms, people to send the opened forms to people who know what to do with the forms, and then people who know where to file the forms once the people who opened them sent them on to the people who file the forms . If THAT ain't "tricklin'", then I don't know what is . See if you cant find yourself in the stream of trickle there somewhere! :p	SurferJoe46 (51)
545750	2007-05-02 08:44:00	The sail engineering dept at the University of Auckland has provided many of the graduates and know how behind the design of virtually all of the sails being used by the America's Cup sailing teams.	winmacguy (3367)
545751	2007-05-02 10:12:00	C'mon!!!! The rich don't get their hands dirty . . . . . . . . . . . they need someone to mold and lay up fiberglass and Kevlar® and resin and run a chopper gun and rove the keel and then sew up sails and paint hulls and polish the brass and install the screws and remove dead bug from their windshields and fix flat tires on the trailers that haul the boats . . . . see? . . . . . . . . they need machine shops and welders and pipe fitters and guys with clipboards to watch over all the other worker bees . . . . . . they need people to create forms, people to print the forms, people to fill out the forms, people to fold and mail the forms, people to receive the forms, people to open the envelopes that contain the forms, people to send the opened forms to people who know what to do with the forms, and then people who know where to file the forms once the people who opened them sent them on to the people who file the forms . If THAT ain't "tricklin'", then I don't know what is . See if you cant find yourself in the stream of trickle there somewhere! :p No good Joe ,yousen is a wastin your time with our resident pinky . I would have used English but I know you have trouble with that .	Cicero (40)
545752	2007-05-02 12:58:00	Well Joe, one of the great triumphs of the Republican Party is that they have got people who should vote Democrat to vote for the G.O.P. You don't strike me as the executive type and it seems that you have bought the Republican B.S. hook, line and sinker. This is the swing voting that caused Bush to get in two times too many. I guess it is your sojourn in the Armed Forces that has caused you to take this view but you really should realize that the employer never has the interests of the workers anywhere near the top of their priorities and if they are not reined in they can hire and fire at will and always find new workers at minimum wages from the unemployed. The middle class has virtually disappeared in American from what I read and if people are not paid good wages economies deteriorate to the state and worse that they are getting to now. Here are three quotes I found the other day: "Look, son - it's a herd of those people who think that unions are the Great Satan. They're the ones who always trot out the arguments that All Unions Always Force Everyone To Conform To The Lowest Common Denominator. Let's just stand and watch for a while, and see if any of them acknowledge that unions were instrumental in ending abuses like child labor and company stores that charges workers more than they earned for staples they couldn't buy somewhere else. (Don't hold your breath, son.) Maybe one of them will mention overtime pay, or paid vacations, or sick days, or some of the other things they would not have if there had been no unions. Probably not, though, and probably none of them will realize that if the people they work for had their way, all those benefits they're so used to would evaporate like a CEO's verbal promise. Looks like we're wasting our time, son. It's the same old play." "Collective bargaining is a human right. It is the only sane, humane and nonviolent way to fight power. The powerful have never liked it - reason enough for me to know that it's right." "If necessary, the government acts in good faith as an arbitrator. Not in decades. The government hates the unions - the Republicans do so openly, the Democrats implicitly, by acting as if they are entitled to Labour's votes while cuddling up to the bosses on the other side." Go well.	zqwerty (97)
545753	2007-05-02 16:27:00	I don't vote . I am still gonna watch the races . The things about which you rant, are indeed the mode of operation of the day . . and I don't defend that at all . Sad thing is that I remember some of the Golden Rule stuff that seems to be so neatly swept under the carpet these days . I actually was treated as a valued person . . in a few cases as "family" to a few employers for whom I had the pleasure to work and recreate . Sorry for all those modern employers who don't give a damn and burn out a few people on the way up to the top branches of the tree . Told ya' that things are falling apart . . . . . finis . (Pardon please, my license in eclectic-ness . ) Did I mention that I'm still gonna watch the races? Oh . . . I guess I did . Your post reminds me of a sad-but-true bumper sticker I saw: "God is dead" . . . . . . . . . . . . . . signed Nietzsche . "Nietzsche is dead" . . . . . . . . . . . . . signed God .	SurferJoe46 (51)
545754	2007-05-02 20:30:00	This seems relevant to post here: "The essence of the Liberal outlook lies not in what opinions are held, but in how they are held: instead of being held dogmatically, they are held tentatively, and with a consciousness that new evidence may at any moment lead to their abandonment." -Bertrand Russell ....now I wonder where I found this... ;)	Strommer (42)
545755	2007-05-02 20:51:00	"God is dead" . . . . . . . . . . . . . . signed Nietzsche . Its amazing what Wikipedia has to offer: . wikipedia . org/wiki/God_is_dead" target="_blank">en . wikipedia . org "God is dead" . . . is a widely-quoted and misunderstood statement . The death of God is a way of saying that humans are no longer able to believe in any such cosmic order since they themselves no longer recognize it . The death of God will lead, Nietzsche says, not only to the rejection of a belief of cosmic or physical order but also to a rejection of absolute values themselves — to the rejection of belief in an objective and universal moral law, binding upon all individuals . In this manner, the loss of an absolute basis for morality leads to nihilism . This nihilism is what Nietzsche worked to find a solution for by re-evaluating the foundations of human values . This meant, to Nietzsche, looking for foundations that went deeper than the Christian values beyond which he felt most Christians refuse to look . BTW, personally I am not an fan of nihilism but this bit is appealing: "re-evaluating the foundations of human values" . Furthermore, from . age-of-the-sage . org/philosophy/friedrich_nietzsche_quotes . html" target="_blank">www . age-of-the-sage . org What Nietzsche is concerned . . . is that God is dead in the hearts of modern men - killed by rationalism and science . This same God however, before becoming dead in men's hearts and minds, had provided the foundation of a "Christian-moral" defining and uniting approach to life as a shared cultural set of belief fully within which people had lived their lives . Nietzsche seems to be suggesting that the acceptance of the Death of God will also involve the ending of accepted standards of morality and of purpose . Without the former and accepted faith based standards society is threatened by a nihilistic situation where peoples lives are not particularly constrained by considerations of morality or particularly guided by any faith related sense of purpose . . . . Nietzsche himself seemed to favour the creation of a new set of values "faithful to the earth . " If Nietzsche were alive today I wonder what he would say about the likes of this: . factnet . org/CIF/child_abuse . htm" target="_blank">www . factnet . org	Strommer (42)
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