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Thread ID: 78978	2007-05-04 08:29:00	Poll - banning pitbulls	qazwsxokmijn (102)	PC World Chat

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546990	2007-05-07 11:43:00	Well, any signs of aggression then. But why would you have put him down?If an animal bites a human, that is grounds for it to be put down. There is also the "taste for blood" thing. Any farmer will tell you that once a dog gets a taste for sheeps blood, they will keep wanting to have another go at another sheep, then another, and so on... thus causing major headaches for farmers and a loss of assets. Same I think applies for humans	Myth (110)
546991	2007-05-07 12:34:00	Well, I guess it is up to the owner (in this case Sweep) then. But I certainly wouldn't put down my dog if some kid I've been telling to stay away got bitten by my dog inside the property. And I have a fully fenced property, including a padlock.	qazwsxokmijn (102)
546992	2007-05-07 13:35:00	Banning Pitbulls still doesn't fix the problem of bad owners, they will just move on to the next breed of dog for either dog fights or protection of what have they. Also banning Pitbulls only hurts the RESPONSIBLE owner and INNOCENT PB's. There has to be another solution? I have 2 Pitbulls, mother and son, they are enclosed in a compound that is padlocked, the compound is like 10ft long and 6ft tall, with no center so the dogs can still have each others close contact, as I believe the mother teaches her son more than what is being trained into him. But they have only recently been in there because (A) its new (B)to protect them from people. They both wear a muzzle when i take them out for a walk around the dog park otherwise in the compound they are free. Both registered, both chipped and still it doesn't curb the IRRESPONSIBLE dog owner. True banning will take the dog underground, true keeping the dog on a chain is a no no, but unless someone is willing to build themselves or pay for someone to have a compound for the dog the chain is the only thing that will keep them on the property.. believe me I know Pits and they are strong and determined to escape. Point in fact.. my boy I found one day trying to chew thru the cage wire. If one is to own a Pitbull, they need to seriously think about their lifestyle.. will it fit the lifestyle of a Pitbull? Are you prepared for the constant visits by dog control? (unless its just me that gets a visit after every assumed PitBull dog attack and I live in Masterton). The vet bills, food bills, walking, training, socializing? If you answered no to any of that.. then a Pitbull isn't for you. There are more than just Pitbulls being used for dog fights, its just the Pitbull is the only one you hear about.	Narmie (12196)
546993	2007-05-07 14:03:00	Yes, pittys were (and still are bred) to be fighting dogs, yes they pose a threat, but in the end its how well the dog is trained (which brings all responsibility back to the owner) . I'm sorry but i disagree with that statement Myth . Yes Pittys were breed to be baiters (farmers and hunters used them), not fighters, poor people that needed money trained them for blood sport (other animal aggression not human aggression) . They aren't still bred to fight, only those irresponsible owners train them for that . After the baiting period the Pitbull was bred to be non aggressive to humans and those that were found to be aggressive to humans are culled and still to this day culling continues . However, they may just be aggressive toward another dog, that part you can't take out of them because that is in every dogs nature . These dogs are really lovely animals, although there are the select few that should of been culled earlier, case in point the PitBulls in recent news . New Zealand has only had this breed for 20years . There is also a New Zealand American Pit Bull Terrier Registry, with records of Pitbulls however there is some doubt as to whether dogs registered after 2002 are Purebred . I believe the only way to keep track of Pitbulls in New Zealand without having to ban them or know they are being given to bad owners, is to buy them from registered breeders . May also the government may think about having some type of owners certificate program before someone can own a dog . . Some states in America already have this program going . If anyone would like information or a copy of the Registry list it can be viewed at www . purebrednz . com	Narmie (12196)
546994	2007-05-07 15:17:00	Finally I have read all posts on this forum for the PB's. Maybe its just me but the first warning to a child is soft, second warning if any is a sterner one however the point is mute since Rex was put down anyway. Children that come to my house to visit with my dogs are fully supervised by myself and I wouldn't open the cage (runner) or compound now without the child and dog being fully socialized with each other. Although there would still be the "what if factor" and if i still felt less than 100% about the situation i'd muzzle the dogs for added protection.. for the child. Also I believe that educating the child about dog behaviour's albeit over their head, and that all dogs aren't the same is a good thing yes? Hopefully it teaches them about dog ownership and responsibility? Where the parents are at the time the children come over to my house.. i have no idea? But the children all know that if i'm not home they aren't to enter the backyard.. but again the "what if factor" another reason why there is a padlock on the dog compound although that wouldn't stop a determined child climbing over the compound fence... ohhh crap ..lol more money i need to spend .. better put wire fencing over the roof part of the compound huh? Also as i previously forgot to mention, the registry doesn't contain all Pitbulls/mixes, because somewhere along the way some people stopped registering them .. BSL fear i suspect so now there are unknown mixes etc.. yada blah	Narmie (12196)
546995	2007-05-07 20:05:00	I'm sorry but i disagree with that statement Myth . Yes Pittys were breed to be baiters (farmers and hunters used them), not fighters, poor people that needed money trained them for blood sport (other animal aggression not human aggression) . They aren't still bred to fight, only those irresponsible owners train them for that . After the baiting period the Pitbull was bred to be non aggressive to humans and those that were found to be aggressive to humans are culled and still to this day culling continues . However, they may just be aggressive toward another dog, that part you can't take out of them because that is in every dogs nature . I, like 1000's of others, had always assumed they had been originally bred to fight . My bad :) You seem to know quite a bit about the breed, I have heard that there are (at least) 4 breeds that make up a pitty, do you know if this is true, and what are those breeds?	Myth (110)
546996	2007-05-07 20:37:00	If pitbulls were made of 4 breeds, I'd have my money on Staffy as one of them.	qazwsxokmijn (102)
546997	2007-05-07 23:29:00	If pitbulls were made of 4 breeds, I'd have my money on Staffy as one of them.With maybe a touch of "Ursus arctos horribilis" - for the aggression, not the size! :D	johcar (6283)
546998	2007-05-09 00:55:00	The onus is still on the dog owner to ensure that noone gets bitten by their dog. Its like driving a car, the onus is on you not to hit anyone, even if they walk/ride/drive into your path of travel Not sure that i agree that this is always the case. If a car was driving along complying with the law and driving to the conditions and a child ran out infront of the car giving the driver no chance to stop, would the onus not primarily fall onto the parent (on the assumption they were there also) to stop the child bolting in the first instance ? Obviously the driver would do all possible to stop but sometimes the laws of physics override this...	globe (11482)
546999	2007-05-09 04:20:00	Sure the breed is not good but the owners have to accept responsibility and take the punishment. They should not allow their dogs to simply roam at will and most of these attacks will stop.	Big John (551)
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