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Thread ID: 79442	2007-05-20 07:02:00	Self Injury Research Project	jerrado (12180)	PC World Chat

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551501	2007-05-22 20:53:00	You what?????? That answers your motive questioning. The basis of what was planned seemed fairly obvious. Answers????? -Why does jerradoI have to justify himself? -How can anyone give answers when 50% of the text content of this thread has been you surferjoe doing everything you can to troll it? The biggest irony here is that you have been a destructive force doing all you can to stop people talking openly about destructive behaviour. I really thought you were above that. Please, I am trying to be a stick in the mud with a purpose. I don't want people to have to bring to a public place the things that are being investigated or being handled by professionals. In all the time I spend with the medical professionals, this kind of post really does no good at all, and quite often causes greater damage than the actual scarring either mental or physical. I just want those who defend the original postees notification and cattle call to gather around a "research" and bringing forth to public scrutiny something that might cause embarrassment and further submersion into the self abuse hell hole. You stated: We are looking for people to help with things like: -Survey Writing -Publicity -Getting people to do the survey (real life, and online) -Helping process the results, get them entered online. -Writing up results etc -Giving the project a face, and updating the site often (with news etc) That's a pretty broad set of requests. I'm not looking for a fight, but I want to (perhaps) counterbalance the openness of the request. If you are in favor of answering and posting your experiences, then that's a good thing if all that happens is that there becomes some public affirmation of the problem. But...think about those who are going to be driven deeper into dispair if they can't see the proverbial forest for the trees. Many here appear to have true sympathy for individuals who practice these destructive acts. I too, do, in spite of what may be construed as me speaking from a bully pulpit, emote from my heart and deep anguish for the same subject matter. This is not to say that I foresee any true assistance to be garnered here. These subjects are not for the fainthearted nor the casual observer. These are ultimately peoples' lives we are dealing with here. I do not believe that this subject, other than a general acknowledgment of it, outside of a doctor's office or clinic is to any good purpose. Fine..we have now been told that this problem exists, and if some want to speak of the horror and pain here, so be it. But...I cannot endorse any forum time to dragging someone's dirty laundry into such an open and public place until there is some sort of closure for ALL the people involved. You do not know the level of therapy that return-posters are at in time and mental capacity...and to blanket-endorse this subject as a good and healthy catharsis is truly dangerous and short-sighted on your behalf. It's just plain dangerous to risk the possibility of un-doing years of therapy and medical administrations for even one person. Are you willing to mentally damage even one person for your "Research and..." undo years of professional work returning a person to normalcy? No-one with good motives could even blink and say yes to that possibility.	SurferJoe46 (51)
551502	2007-05-22 21:52:00	...........I am representing a research project that is about to start, looking into self injury. We are looking for people to help with things like: -Survey Writing -Publicity -Getting people to do the survey (real life, and online) -Helping process the results, get them entered online. -Writing up results etc -Giving the project a face, and updating the site often (with news etc) and any other odd bits that may be needed to be done. .........Where are you coming from Joe? There's no hint of trying to force people to air their dirty laundry. read the above please survey results tend to be anonymous. Nowhere does it say "we want you to tell us your secrets, so we can publish them with your name" and anyway, the kind of self destructive behaviour mentioned tends to leave visable scars. I have many on my left arm. Some have healed to the point where they aren't that noticable, others are far too deep to ever go away. Like an embaressing tatoo, they are there for life, like it or not, and when people notice them the question of "where from" is not needed. Scars are harder to hide than say, the nightly vino or 3 that never happens. What helps people through such times are dealing with it (whatever the issue is) and moving on. What doesn't help is trying to make it "dirty laundry" as you put it. Hiding the issue does not make it go away. Peer help is invaluable to helping people to move in. We are after all in an age where professionals are trusted less and less. Although not implied in the original post, i will assume that someone finding some sort of help in the sites existance will feel less alone? It also strikes me that if this project were successful, that it would be one where those wanting to seek help might just find a path to it. be it professional help, or just a little understanding. This seems to me to be a natural step. As for "professional" help in this country, we have many doctors who prescribe a pill in hope the problem will go away. People are far more likely to look for help in their peers than spend $30 plus (or whatever a doctor costs) only to be told to take this pill and go away by someone who is a GP and has far less idea of what is going on than ones peers. Been there done that, got given prozac (flocsy-something-variation of prozac) and had a doctor who avoided even suggesting that i might have to make changes in my life to overcome depression. While i respect concerns and cautions, there is no need to assume that this project is a bad one simply because it touches on what could be described as a delicate area.	personthingy (1670)
551503	2007-05-22 22:23:00	Firstly the term "Emo" as "emotional" has really lost it's original meaning and is now used to describe the fashion, just like "ghetto", "goth", "gangsta" Secondly, I forgot that not everyone shares the same non-emo opinion of emo culture. I know for many self harmers there is a deep down reason, but, believe it or not, for many "emos" it is a fashion statement. Hell emo's even think it's fashionable to be gay (even if you aren't). No I'm not kidding. It's just like the the whole "gangsta" movement. These kids act tough, start fights, abuse property etc because it's fashionable (in their eyes) to do so. No no no no................Tut tut. We can't have this. Sentences always start with the upper case so the reader can scan lines knowing where clauses end and a new idea begins. OK, Merit for content, Not Achieved for construction. Nevertheless with practice and guidance you will be fine. ;)	Winston001 (3612)
551504	2007-05-22 23:32:00	No no no no................Tut tut. We can't have this. Sentences always start with the upper case so the reader can scan lines knowing where clauses end and a new idea begins. OK, Merit for content, Not Achieved for construction. Nevertheless with practice and guidance you will be fine. ;) You missed one, "......al" has really lost it's original me......", should be its.	Rob99 (151)
551505	2007-05-22 23:34:00	ok, enough. I'm out. I am not sticking round just to listen to SJ. In all the other places we posted for help, all we got was positive response. SJ: consider the possibility that we actually know what we are doing, and actually have experienced all this ourselves, so we know where we need to tread carefully. Thank you to all those who helped defend this, and a great big thanks to those who actually replied to the original question. Anyway, im going, and not coming back.	jerrado (12180)
551506	2007-05-23 01:30:00	ok, enough. I'm out. I am not sticking round just to listen to SJ. In all the other places we posted for help, all we got was positive response. SJ: consider the possibility that we actually know what we are doing, and actually have experienced all this ourselves, so we know where we need to tread carefully. Thank you to all those who helped defend this, and a great big thanks to those who actually replied to the original question. Anyway, im going, and not coming back. jerrado, that smacks of toy-throwing from the sandpit. You posted in a public forum, you have to accept the consequences of that act. Chucking your toys because an individual, rightly or wrongly, has posted views contrary to your own is not helpful, and whilst I don't know you, I get the impression you are above that. I do sense your frustration, and I do agree with what you are doing. For reasons past and present. However, SJ does not strike me as being difficult for the sake of being difficult. His style loses me often, and obviously others here as well, but IMO he isn't the type to rant solely to hear the sound of his own voice. And to be honest, I agree with some of what he says. Clearly you have had enough. So be it. That remains your right. However, you threw this thread out for discussion where anyone in the world with 'net access can see it and comment. I am glad you did, but I do not agree you have concluded the action in the most appropriate manner. Good luck with it all. I am happy for you to PM me if you want some views on the subject, but I won't be putting them all here. T	allblack (6574)
551507	2007-05-23 03:53:00	He didn't "throw it out for discussion". He posted a request for people to help in a project. He did post it in a public forum, and was entitled to be met with courtesy. He wasn't liable for "the consequences of that act". It might be a good idea for some people here to read the rules of the forum (pressf1.co.nz/showthread.php?t=52243). After all, members have agreed to comply with them. Rule 1 starts "Keep it friendly ...". Jerrado isn't "throwing his toys from the sandpit". He's rejecting the behaviour of some of the inhabitants of the sandpit. He's showed maturity and commendable restraint in his language even under severe provocation.	Graham L (2)
551508	2007-05-23 05:14:00	He didn't "throw it out for discussion". He posted a request for people to help in a project. He did post it in a public forum, and was entitled to be met with courtesy. He wasn't liable for "the consequences of that act". It might be a good idea for some people here to read the rules of the forum (pressf1.co.nz/showthread.php?t=52243). After all, members have agreed to comply with them. Rule 1 starts "Keep it friendly ...". Jerrado isn't "throwing his toys from the sandpit". He's rejecting the behaviour of some of the inhabitants of the sandpit. He's showed maturity and commendable restraint in his language even under severe provocation. Anything posted on a public forum is thrown out for discussion, irrespective of good intentions or desired results. As such, there are (potentially negative) consequences to doing so. His maturity and tongue-holding abilities are not the purpose of my post. I offered him my best wishes and views if required in a non-public way.	allblack (6574)
551509	2007-05-23 14:11:00	No no no no . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Tut tut . We can't have this . Sentences always start with the upper case so the reader can scan lines knowing where clauses end and a new idea begins . OK, Merit for content, Not Achieved for construction . Nevertheless with practice and guidance you will be fine . ;) i generally don't use capitals when typing due to laziness . i do when writing or typing in a formal manner, but it's a forum and i do not see how capitalisation or lack thereof is going to make my post unreadable . i would rather you argue with my statements than argue semantics . atleast i can spell reasonably well, and get apostrophes in the right place 99% of the time (well spotted rob)	motorbyclist (188)
551510	2007-05-23 14:26:00	Well that's all good then . . . . Phew, that explains everything . Things that have been going on for about as long as humanity has cursed this planet can all be written off as fashion . We can sweep that aside then . I hope that makes you feel comfortable, even though the fashionable label of which you speak, is only a couple of years old . Personally i detest fashionable labels for people . I find people that fit neatly in stereotypical boxes dull, and few of my friends fit, even the ones with self destructive history or current behaviour . fashions? it's just how people form social groups . fashion is the commercialisation of that . i'm not blaming fashion on everything, but it does have a part to play in how our society acts, what scapegoats are used etcetc what does it matter how long emo's have been around for? they've been around ever since the beginning of "the emotional hardcore scene", an offshoot from punk music over 10 years ago . just ask any emo . the fact that emo has become mainstream (thanks MTV) only recently only really reinforces a decription of people as sheep . furthermore i'm not saying ALL emos are in it for the fashion . just some of them, and if we're going to discuss self harm we may as well discuss some of the "causes" and sterotypes? everyone fits into a stereotype, and the ones i mentioned actually identify themselves as being part of those stereotypes . it gives us/them a sense of belonging . i know there are people who strive to be different, but again they are themselves falling into another group, and often try to be unique by being the same as another group without realising it . emos, goths, and people with knife facinations all fit into this category . sure sterotypes can be derogatory, but categorising things is what humans do, along with forming social groups where all members conform to each other to reduce tension among members . just look at any social group, from the group of close friends with inside jokes/quirks to whole nations through patriotism, and even religions (but only at a stretch, witch hunts etc were more a method of control than anything else imo)	motorbyclist (188)
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