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Thread ID: 79442	2007-05-20 07:02:00	Self Injury Research Project	jerrado (12180)	PC World Chat

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551491	2007-05-22 06:49:00	...Would you proffer to state that ALL self-destructive activities are approximately the same consideration in causal genesis? I might, if I could work out what the hell that means, Joe. Try again, in English, even in the Southern California dialect. Or not. The poster was quite clear in the initial request, as Jen pointed out. He didn't ask for the sort of attack he's had. jerrado and Dannz: don't worry too much about the insensitive responses ... you'll find that it's a waste of time responding. They are saying more than they know about themselves, so you can leave others to form their own opinions. ;)	Graham L (2)
551492	2007-05-22 06:53:00	I might, if I could work out what the hell that means, Joe . Try again, in English, even in the Southern California dialect . Or not . The poster was quite clear in the initial request, as Jen pointed out . He didn't ask for the sort of attack he's had . jerrado and Dannz: don't worry too much about the insensitive responses . . . you'll find that it's a waste of time responding . They are saying more than they know about themselves, so you can leave others to form their own opinions . ;)Well said Graham . :thumbs:	Jen (38)
551493	2007-05-22 07:56:00	And here we have an interesting point . . . Somewhere there is a line, where at one end of the scale exists vanity, and at the other end of the scale is "self destructive behaviour" Where on this line society views any activity, such as covering one's face with paint, sticking shiny bits of metal in oneself, carving initials, or even branding oneself, is govered by things such as fashion . I'd also like to add drinking, smoking, playing the pokies, and various other activities to the list of things to do that in this case, sit on a line somewhere between fun and self destructive behaviour . . . Again, it is largely attitude that decides from which end of the line these ooh dear activities might be . However, for the purpose of this thead, it's already defined . . . "self injury", unless of course we could view a tatoo as a self injury . . . . . . is this decoration ( . imageshack . us/img442/6291/dcfn0018lo2 . jpg" target="_blank">img442 . imageshack . us), or self abuse? Personally I'm envious . . . She got The Ramones tat done in one sitting on Friday! Good post Personthingy, just did a wee cleanup for grammer purposes . :D	Winston001 (3612)
551494	2007-05-22 08:01:00	Good post Personthingy, just did a wee cleanup for grammer purposes. :Dum thanks :blush: I really should install firefox so i get my spellchecker thing back... FF plugins tend not to work on iceweasel, the standard debian offering :(	personthingy (1670)
551495	2007-05-22 12:31:00	I have a niece that engraved her first 3 initials in her arm with a razor while at school. She's now 14 going on 15 did it when she was 13. After a few choice words and swift kick in the butt by her g/dad she soon stopped doing that. Now she has those 3 initials for life or until she gets a plastic surgeon to fix it. Her excuse for doing it was peer pressure, because all her mates where doing it. Yes "Emo"... short for emotional.. i would have thought that was obvious.... Some people have emotions, good bad, ugly, and sometimes to unwelcome extremes... Shock hoooror...No, not really. What i do find surprising is that some people will go to great lengths, and become unusually troll like in order to out yell any conversation about such matters, or degrade it into silly stereo types... Anything BUT actually deal with issues, or allow others to do the same. firstly the term "Emo" as "emotional" has really lost it's original meaning and is now used to describe the fashion. just like "ghetto", "goth", "gangsta" seciond, i forgot that not everyone shares the same non-emo opinion of emo culture. i know for many self harmers there is a deep down reason, but, believe it or not, for many "emos" it is a fashion statement. hell emo's even think it's fashionable to be gay (even if you aren't). no i'm not kidding. it's just like the the whole "gangsta" movement. these kids act tough, start fights, abuse property etc because it's fashionable (in their eyes) do to so.	motorbyclist (188)
551496	2007-05-22 19:28:00	Time out: About me . . . . . . I proctored from a syllabus at a class in a local junior college adult education seminar for a few years as I am just a few units away from a teaching degree that I don't intend to finish and they used my in that capacity for their less-demanding classes, the subject being: "Abnormal Human Psychology" . I am not a doctor nor do I portray one on television . I lectured to federal and municipal police department officers and personnel, educators at the primary, secondary and tertiary class levels, MSWs (medical social workers), field and social workers with psychological interests with clients in that same venue and human rights advocates (don't ask me why they were there) . . . . (Mine here: ) Would you proffer to state that ALL self-destructive activities are approximately the same consideration in causal genesis? . . . . . . . . . . doesn't need any translation . There is a vernacular requirement if you are to progress with those communicative skills if you are to be deemed peer-worthy in this endeavor and taken seriously . However, I'll try to bring it down a notch or two: Do you think (or believe) that all self-destruction can be considered caused by a singular desire? Now I add to the question: (And please don't assume that I am asking if their mother beat them or locked them in closets or kept them in a cage . ) What I ask is do you find any common ground for this behavior or expression of slashing, tattooing or piercing themselves? I'm not going to go all Kinsey on you here, but you have bitten into a field in which I am somewhat conversant and have a few doctors of psychology on my quick dial who will read your answer with interest . Right now hopefully you are not sticking your big toe in a pool of quicksand . To recall a statement you made, and therefore caused MY red flag to rise was: I am representing a research project that is about to start, looking into self injury . Then you said: Posting from a school classroom, between a class, so haven't got time to say much . . which leaves little to the imagination, no? Then next post you said: The aim of the research project is to Promote understanding & stop the misconceptions (ibid) this isn't a support group . It's about getting information to people, so they understand . This sounds funded . . and another red flag . If so, please name the group and it's intentions . Is it going to promote a mass-mailing to "subjects" or ask them to be guinea pigs for some commercial (read: cash driven) experiment at the social and MENTAL expense of the inductees? Your intentions, perhaps noble, are still suspect and I don't like to see these things get much press since almost all times we forget the first tenet in psychology: "Find the motivation; you've found the cure" . ALSO: Remember that I will NOT accept the following abuses of "psycho-speak": 1) anecdotal evidence has NO BASIS IN DIAGNOSIS OR UNDERSTANDING of ANY psychosis . If you need me to translate that word for you, let me know . (OK . . . a low blow, but I am so far not impressed) 2), CLINICAL RESULTS is a flash word that invokes good feelings and false hopes . The very use of CLINICAL RESULTS is another very red flag . In reality, asking two people the same question returns a CLINICAL RESULT . . . but not a scientific proof . I question your motives and still am not impressed with your answers .	SurferJoe46 (51)
551497	2007-05-22 20:07:00	firstly the term "Emo" as "emotional" has really lost it's original meaning and is now used to describe the fashion . just like "ghetto", "goth", "gangsta" . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . it's just like the the whole "gangsta" movement . these kids act tough, start fights, abuse property etc because it's fashionable (in their eyes) do to so . Well that's all good then . . . . Phew, that explains everything . Things that have been going on for about as long as humanity has cursed this planet can all be written off as fashion . We can sweep that aside then . I hope that makes you feel comfortable, even though the fashionable label of which you speak, is only a couple of years old . Personally i detest fashionable labels for people . I find people that fit neatly in stereotypical boxes dull, and few of my friends fit, even the ones with self destructive history or current behaviour .	personthingy (1670)
551498	2007-05-22 20:16:00	I question your motives ........ You what?????? am representing a research project that is about to start, looking into self injury. We are looking for people to help with things like: -Survey Writing -Publicity -Getting people to do the survey (real life, and online) -Helping process the results, get them entered online. -Writing up results etc -Giving the project a face, and updating the site often (with news etc) and any other odd bits that may be needed to be done. That answers your motive questioning. The basis of what was planned seemed fairly obvious. .........am not impressed with your answers.Answers????? -Why does jerradoI have to justify himself? -How can anyone give answers when 50% of the text content of this thread has been you surferjoe doing everything you can to troll it? The biggest irony here is that you have been a destructive force doing all you can to stop people talking openly about destructive behaviour. I really thought you were above that.	personthingy (1670)
551499	2007-05-22 20:28:00	-Why does jerradoI have to justify himself? I don't. I know what im doing, and don't feel the need to explain myself to people who apparently won't take my endevour at face value.	jerrado (12180)
551500	2007-05-22 20:32:00	This sounds funded..and another red flag. If so, please name the group and it's intentions. Is it going to promote a mass-mailing to "subjects" or ask them to be guinea pigs for some commercial (read: cash driven) experiment at the social and MENTAL expense of the inductees? It isn't funded. Even to buy our domain it was a matter of reaching into our own pockets. Lack of funds is going to be our greatest problem I question your motives and still am not impressed with your answers Just keep an eye on us as the project progresses then. THEN comment on our motives. And i am answering your questions as best i can, noting that the questions seem phrased to make it hard to answer.	jerrado (12180)
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