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Thread ID: 79522	2007-05-22 17:46:00	Why Linux Is Going Anywhere Fast....	SurferJoe46 (51)	PC World Chat

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552253	2007-05-23 10:30:00	Ok Point taken But pf1 is not all a geek forum theres lots of noobs here, and people that dont know something usually ask........ We dont learn unless we ask sometimes....... Thanxs anyway. Dont feel bad, life is never simple. We all have days where we expect all the answers to be clear for all, no matter who or what type of person they are. But it seems that crystal ball is on holiday more often than not.........:p beetle	beetle (243)
552254	2007-05-23 11:13:00	I'll try to refrain from assuming next time.:)	winmacguy (3367)
552255	2007-05-23 11:19:00	As soon as Nortons Linux is released.......:D Ahem. Anyway, Its all fluff, The only way Linux will become mainstream is when all the main vendors make it the only choice for their PC's, The same way MS ships Vista. Untill then its out numbererd 1 million to one, no matter what the next Distro is named.	Metla (12)
552256	2007-05-23 11:29:00	KDE is a user friendly GUI, so gnome, if your used to a mac. But i won't agree with one distro. Some are designed for speed, some work on machines that have been written of as doorstops, some are designed to be slick, and some are designed more for use on a server. The big thing with the variety is that that is how it is developing so fast. each variety or distro represents a new set of ideas. as each set of ideas gets tested, some last, and some are made obsolete. You can of course choose a standard install of one of the few major distros, or choose what apps you want component by component. I chose Debian4 (etch), and typed "apt-get install (program name)" to get the extra apps that didn't come with the standard network install. I was going to say "like our Jen?", as an example. However putting aside gender issues, there is an alarming assumption that you have to be smart to be a Linux user, and quite frankly, you don't. A modern Distro, running KDE or similar is as user friendly as windows, and a lot more likely to still be working a year down the track, even with the kids using it and clicking on anything without a care. Without a care? That will be correct. That is where we are up to. All rights and no consequences.	Sweep (90)
552257	2007-05-23 11:32:00	Without a care? That will be correct. That is where we are up to. All rights and no consequences.Sorry... I for one don't quite understand what you mean by that. :confused:	personthingy (1670)
552258	2007-05-23 16:10:00	Personthingy: I don't totally agree with your point here where you are saying that it appears there are too many (although I agree on the count) versions of L-stuff . . . not the concept of there being a lot, but the actual variety of distros : (I think I made that clear as mud) . . . . . . . But i won't agree with one distro . Some are designed for speed, some work on machines that have been written of as doorstops, some are designed to be slick, and some are designed more for use on a server . The big thing with the variety is that that is how it is developing so fast . each variety or distro represents a new set of ideas . as each set of ideas gets tested, some last, and some are made obsolete . You can of course choose a standard install of one of the few major distros, or choose what apps you want component by component . I chose Debian4 (etch), and typed "apt-get install (program name)" to get the extra apps that didn't come with the standard network install . . . . as I see that there are many permutations of Windows . . . some are better as servers, some for their graphic and picture rendering, some for students, others for home or professional use . . then there's the various bit versions too . . so you see, there's a lot to consider when one goes to buy a Windows variation on a theme too . The one real problem is consistency with Windows . . . for all it's troubles (98, ME), it isn't too far out of the way for a non-geek to read a screen and do what it says . Insert your copy of Windows now and press the "ENTER" key when ready . As opposed to : Install gnu\\: #<if"no=nullstring then "0" to parameter6, line133902-J; in "not" then gosub_%th00729_<dimD> *Enter parameter j,* for j=256 to -0, int 6, next See? OK . . I had a little fun there, but really, Linux is Greek to most people who haven't had any language skills in the program .	SurferJoe46 (51)
552259	2007-05-23 21:52:00	Insert your copy of Windows now and press the "ENTER" key when ready . It takes me typically an hour for me to set up a working system on a slow machine using *nix . The instructions are usually about as simple as what you describe above . By contrast, setting up XP on a early P4 a few night ago was an all-nighter, required several disks of third party software, and had no office program . . i had to actually download open office, firefox, and some weird stuff called "anti virus" Preserving the data was a complete pain, as there was no separate partition for the owners documents and stuff, so i had to back the entire system by placing HDD in my computer and copying the entire disk to //server and then picking out what he needed after reinstall As opposed to : Install gnu\\: Where on earth did that come from??? Mepis = Click on desktop icon once you've run the system LIVE to see if it seems to work, and follow instruction Debian = Insert your copy of "Debian-netins" now and press the "ENTER" key when ready . It will ask your IP locality and similar details, click or type the answers, and it will download the entire system . You decide what you want it for, and it will download a complete system based on what overgeneralized options you pick . Pressing enter repeatedly will give you a working system, although the systems time will probably be in the wrong zone, and if you have a static IP address that will need to be entered for the rest of the system to be downloaded Other systems = Boot of CD, answer questions, have working system The only area where caution and thought are needed is when setting up on a hard-drive shared with another system, such as windows . One will have to take care not to overwrite the existing system . Of course that applies with installing any additional OS(s) See? OK . . I had a little fun there, but really, Linux is Greek to most people who haven't had any language skills in the program . OK . . :confused: Why touch command line if you don't wish to? I've set systems up for people who wouldn't now what command line is, and they can get around them .	personthingy (1670)
552260	2007-05-23 22:21:00	Similar to Ubuntu, no touching command-line if needed. Try 7.04 SurferJoe, Im sure you'll enjoy it :) GUI for installing more apps from a 'limited' selection (Still huge but not as big as debians apt repositories). GUI for installing non-standard drivers. GUI for re-partitioning. GUI for adding extra desktop-fluff (Beryl, but so worth it). GUI for new codecs being downloaded automatically when you play a file that it doesnt support. GUI for installing to your HDD. You dont see the bash prompt at all, and install takes about 20 minutes :) That aside, i think its interesting how Microsoft are veering away from the "One size fits all" motto for an OS. Vista has _many_ versions! Home Basic, Home Premium, Business, Ultimate... much more than just the days where you just had Win95 ;) Many distros have their strengths / weaknesses. Ive been impressed with how 'lite' Ubuntu seems to be, yet it does all I need (mind you, I installed K3b and amaroK), its very stable... and its fast! I could give examples til the cows come home, but that'd prolly get boring. I dont think Linux will ever totally rule the mainstream desktop, maybe get a semi-decent marketshare similar to the way Firefox has in the browser market thou! Thats the joys about choice, you can CHOOSE something that suits your personal needs & desires. Sadly, when installing XP, I usually have issues similar to what personthingy has expressed ;)	Chilling_Silence (9)
552261	2007-05-23 23:13:00	I dont think Linux will ever totally rule the mainstream desktop, maybe get a semi-decent marketshare similar to the way Firefox has in the browser market thou! As long as it is seen as being in the domain of geeks and tech nerds, I don't think it will develop mainstream appeal . I would see Mac OS market share getting to 15%+ market share in the next 5 or so years -similar to where Firefox is now, rather than any of the Linux distros .	winmacguy (3367)
552262	2007-05-24 02:00:00	OK>.don't get me wrong, I like Mepis and Ubuntu and if I actually knew what I did to make them work I'd feel a lot safer and happier..but I am not gonna kick a sleeping dog. Hopefully I won't need to repair anything ..ever.......!	SurferJoe46 (51)
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