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Thread ID: 79519	2007-05-22 12:52:00	compulsory 3rd party insurance	motorbyclist (188)	PC World Chat

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552159	2007-05-23 14:45:00	problem with fines is that paying them off at $10 a week isn't that hard. now if they could deduct if from your wages automatically, THAT would hurt. I don't see the problem with boy racers provided they aren't racing anywhere they may hurt someone other than themselves, and the car is actually fast, not an '89 honda city with 18"chrome spinners and 4" muffler tip - posers as for restricting licences like bike licences it might pay to realise a 250cc sortbike, legal on your learners, can still out perform a porche. furthermore i know a guy on his restricted with a honda vfr400 nc30 like mine. he put a sticker saying "250" over the 400 and gets away with it. point being the small group who break the rules will continue to do so. just look at drunk driving, speeding, drugs, assault, theft, driving while disqualified, driving without a licence, hit 'n' run, and many more offences. no threat of prison/fines/car crushing will prevent a crime, all they can do is try to stop it happening again - i agree, crush the car if it's a 3rd SERIOUS offence. oh, and being 18 i can say right now if things got too pressured at home, and the pros outweighed the cons, i would move out to "escape" their control and there wouldn't be much they can do about it. (problem is the cons outweigh the pros, so i'll have to put up with free rent a bit longer lol)	motorbyclist (188)
552160	2007-05-23 15:36:00	Perhaps you might like to offer some suggestions as to how one might rein in such an 18-year-old or older child? :) People 18 years and older are legally able to take out their own hire purchase agreements without parental permission being required . The mother of an 18-year-old youth was interviewed on TV a couple of weeks back, saying that her son had got himself a big loan to buy his wheels and there was nothing she could do about it . It's so easy to get loans these days that kids are taking advantage of them and then getting themselves into massive debt . The only "rights" and "responsibilities" you have are how your child behaves whilst under your roof, just like with any other adult . You have no control or responsibility over how they gain or spend their money or how they behave once off your property after they turn 18 . As far as the law is concerned they are then adults and entirely responsible for themselves . That's strange, as I assumed that NZ had at least a smidgen of the same laws and rules as we do in the US because of our singular heritage . I was severely damaged in an accident by a kid at 19 y/o, still living at his parent's home and not contributing to the household income . We had to sue both him and his parents . . . as they had not technically emancipated him . . . . which under normal circumstances is 18 in California . Since he was still at home . . and NOT PAYING RENT OR FOOD ALLOWANCES, his parents then assumed by their actions that they were still responsible for him and his actions . In the lawsuit, I got the parents insurance to pay and also the court ordered the house, the parents' cars and their life insurance that they had used as security for their house purchase awarded to me . The house was sold and I received the proceeds . I owned the cash from the sale of the house and everything the parents had all for the sake of their little boy . OK . . . . harsh!?!? . . . . Well, not really . . . . . I spent 18 months in intensive care and was told that I'd never walk again and that the damages to me were so bad it would have been better if the brat had killed me for all the liability he generated . The bills from the hospital along were over 1/2 million . . in 1974 dollars! In the case of NZ's situation, I think that the emancipation of minors act should be investigated . It seems that these street racers are still living at home and then they are still wards of the home then the parents assume full responsibility for their child's actions . It really is the parent's responsibility if they cannot raise a law-abiding child . . . . . . . . if not them the whole village should take the child to the city gates and stone him . . . as it were . Sometimes there are incorrigible children .	SurferJoe46 (51)
552161	2007-05-23 21:48:00	Of course there is a simple answer. Contraception. If it's too late for that, then introducing legal post-natal abortions would work?	godfather (25)
552162	2007-05-23 22:29:00	My first semi-racy car was a 1992 Mazda MX5 V-Special edition. Couldnt go very fast (16.45 1/4 mile), but I enjoyed the drive. insurance was $1800 for full-cover. I dont think its going to stop them from doing what they do, but rather prevent people like this guy I know... $10K fines and still being raked up (Including damages to other cars).	Chilling_Silence (9)
552163	2007-05-23 22:30:00	oh, and being 18 i can say right now if things got too pressured at home, and the pros outweighed the cons, i would move out to "escape" their control and there wouldn't be much they can do about it. Exactly. And would you expect your parents to still take responsibility for your actions and activities after moving out? Would you consider it right for them to be blamed for you breaking the law and getting yourself into trouble, if you did?	FoxyMX (5)
552164	2007-05-23 22:33:00	That's strange, as I assumed that NZ had at least a smidgen of the same laws and rules as we do in the US because of our singular heritage. Our laws and rules are poles apart from yours, Joe. The scenario you described couldn't and wouldn't happen here in NZ.	FoxyMX (5)
552165	2007-05-23 22:46:00	First offence (racing etc) = $400 fine, 20 day impound plus 20 day loss of license, but absolutely no releasing of the car until the $400 is paid etc etc They don't care much about the fines but impounding their car and losing their licence will hurt. So will the hefty fee for the impounding.	FoxyMX (5)
552166	2007-05-24 00:24:00	All this talk of "Boy Racers" is just a knee jerk reaction by politicians of all colours to make them seem to be doing something that might get them elected again. The "problem" has always been there, it's part of growing up and that is, in it self, fraught with risks and mistakes, we have to survive to grow up. In ten years time you're cute little 7 year old will, probably, be just as bad as most other 17 year olds and who knows what toys they may have by then? I think if you study the numbers you will see what I mean. www.ltsa.govt.nz www.ltsa.govt.nz	JackStraw (6573)
552167	2007-05-24 01:39:00	Your probably right JS, but the problem is that never in the past has such potential for destruction been in the hands of so much immaturity . Sure all generations ahve their milk bar kids, etc When I grew up there was worry about kids on motorbikes dying . But the cellphone and phat car generation have just multiplied existing social issues . I don't mind if they kill themselves, but when they start to kill others it becomes an issue . And, in christchurch, the destruction of roads and public places becomes an antisocial eyesore . Why can't they just do drugs like our generation? At least pot heads were quiet about it . . .	netchicken (4843)
552168	2007-05-24 02:17:00	In the lawsuit, I got the parents insurance to pay and also the court ordered the house, the parents' cars and their life insurance that they had used as security for their house purchase awarded to me . Which is why here in NZ they came up with ACC, flawed though it may be . Why did you need their house if their insurance paid? Oh yeah for your lawyers cut .	pctek (84)
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