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Thread ID: 80291 2007-06-18 01:58:00 name supression and the herald and tv1 and tv2 today lance4k (4644) PC World Chat
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560352 2007-06-18 06:18:00 UPDATE:

ok the person who i'm talking about has CHOSEN not to apply for name supression. If you don't already know(it's all over the news and nzherald website),it's Millie Elder.
She is the stepdaughter of Paul Holmes. SHe's charged with drug possession and receiving stolen goods,and letting her flat be used for drug supply, and having a cannabis tree in her flat.
She's be granted bail and will appear in court again on July 9th.

So what is going to happen on july 9th? She's got bail,so will this next court appearance be where they decide if she's guilty or not? If she is found guilty,will she be back in court again for setencing?

not stepdaughter, but adopted. not trying to be picky 		plod (107)
560353 2007-06-18 06:19:00 i saw today the herald and tv1 and tv2 reporting a person is going to court for a bailing hearing.
now if someone has yet to go to trial,howcome the media are allowed to report the person's name? i thought you can choose to, or not to, have name supression IF your case DOES goes to trial?Money talks, bull**** walks :) 		Myth (110)
560354 2007-06-18 06:41:00 It depends on whether she pleads G or NG. This can go on for weeks / months or even years.

If not G it may go to trial. And then depending on what happens, then she may go before a jury, and they'll decide, whether she's guilty or not.

And then when and if she pleads G or is found guilty by a jury (if this happens), then what usually happens next is Probation do a Pre-sentence report on her.

To get info from her . For the court / Judge.

For whatever date she's due to be sentenced on. Then its up to the Judge to decide (based on what Probation say, since they'll deal with her later, if she gets a comm based sentence or prison, after she's released), whether she or anyone else gets a community based sentence (Supervision / Community Work etc). Or a prison sentence.

And depending on what Police and the Crown decide, it may even go to the High Court, since the DC if they want to hand down a long sentence, (Only a High Court can do this not a DC). If its a serious offence. 		Speedy Gonzales (78)
560355 2007-06-18 09:14:00 but what about that lady who drove her car drunk a few weeks ago,she was arrested,then put out on bail the next day, and 2 weeks later she went to court and pleaded guilty,then she has fined and order to rehab and released.

millie's lawyer said she'll contest SOME charges. i'm sure it'll be over in a day or 2.



It depends on whether she pleads G or NG. This can go on for weeks / months or even years.

If not G it may go to trial. And then depending on what happens, then she may go before a jury, and they'll decide, whether she's guilty or not.

And then when and if she pleads G or is found guilty by a jury (if this happens), then what usually happens next is Probation do a Pre-sentence report on her.

To get info from her . For the court / Judge.

For whatever date she's due to be sentenced on. Then its up to the Judge to decide (based on what Probation say, since they'll deal with her later, if she gets a comm based sentence or prison, after she's released), whether she or anyone else gets a community based sentence (Supervision / Community Work etc). Or a prison sentence.

And depending on what Police and the Crown decide, it may even go to the High Court, since the DC if they want to hand down a long sentence, (Only a High Court can do this not a DC). If its a serious offence. 		lance4k (4644)
560356 2007-06-18 09:20:00 millie's lawyer said she'll contest SOME charges. i'm sure it'll be over in a day or 2.

Contest doesnt mean she's pleading guilty, it means she's denying the charges.

Since the other lady pleaded G she was dealt with thats why. 		Speedy Gonzales (78)
560357 2007-06-18 09:38:00 Crikey,I didn't realise it wasn't automatic,thank goodness we have a lawyer present.

I just thought they didn't give names out to nosey parkers. 		Cicero (40)
560358 2007-06-18 23:03:00 but i've know people who've done jury service and they only needed to go for 1 day . i guess it depends on how much witness's the police have to call etc .
or the police could have a lack of evidence and drop some of the charges,or they could offer her a less harsher deal . it was her first offence . maybe she'll get DIVERSION?




Contest doesnt mean she's pleading guilty, it means she's denying the charges .

Since the other lady pleaded G she was dealt with thats why . 		lance4k (4644)
560359 2007-06-19 01:03:00 Diversion for Methamphetamine posession and theft allegations?

Get a grip, "diversion" into a prison for quite a few years is more likely if found guilty. That is not petty crime. 		godfather (25)
560360 2007-06-19 01:31:00 Apparently the JUDGE is saying the drugs charges aren't serious. Here is what the judge said:

"Judge Avinesh Deobhakta indicated that one of the receiving charges was the most serious."

Wow i thought drugs charges would be more serious than receiving stolen property. so maybe the drugs charges will be dropped and she'd just get rehab or sumthing?

Updated story here:
www.stuff.co.nz 		lance4k (4644)
560361 2007-06-19 02:51:00 "Judge Avinesh Deobhakta indicated that one of the receiving charges was the most serious . "

Wow i thought drugs charges would be more serious than receiving stolen property . so maybe the drugs charges will be dropped and she'd just get rehab or sumthing?



Sadly drug arrests are common and if it is a small amount then the receiving charge is much more serious . Without people receiving stolen property, thieves have nowhere to sell their loot .

The judges point was that this girl deserved no more attention from the media than any of the other (say) 100 drug arrests in NZ that day .

You know the criticism of judges and the courts makes me laugh in a rueful way . You'll hear and read citizens saying judges live in ivory towers, need to get out on the streets, see the real world blah blah . Absolute rubbish .

What needs to happen is for the average Kiwi to spend a day in Court watching a Police list (normal arrests) . They might then actually see how a sector of our society behave and what the police have to deal with . Judges hear the most excruciating stories, the most sordid events - every day .

For example, there is a case in the New Zealand Law Reports where the judge describes what a pedophile did to groom a toddler . It is so explicit that I won't repeat it here . The point is that Judges, police, lawyers, probation officers, and social workers daily see a side of society which most people don't even know exists . 		Winston001 (3612)
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