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Thread ID: 143997	2017-06-01 22:43:00	this is why I dont use password mangers	1101 (13337)	PC World Chat

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1436010	2017-06-04 13:53:00	Neil F, I would think a password manager be more secure than a password protected Excel document only because I have a belief they do truly care about keeping your information safe and go a bit further in doing such a thing. For me, Excel may leave memory residue, enough to reveal what that document contained. At least encrypt the document or use a password manager and back it up. The problem with cloud based services, is that their users can be anyone, which means they try to cater to their lowest denominator by making the service simple which could be their weakest link but most likely their selling point. They encrypt your data with keys they give you. To me, that is dodgy because they could read all your information. It's like being given a key to a motel room while you know their staff also has keys to it. This is not the place to store important information. So what could you do? Have the only key. You need total control and responsibility. You lose the key (don't make copies!), you lose your chances of getting the information from there. Lucky you have a backup, your own memory. So how can your data be safe in the clouds? Use your key to encrypt it before you store it, that way if they do their own encryption with their own keys they still need your key to unlock it. This is like a modern day version of The 3 Little Pigs story.	Kame (312)
1436011	2017-06-05 22:49:00	Is it easy to crack password protected excel files these days? I recall back when it used to be virtually impossible	the_bogan (9949)
1436012	2017-06-06 02:16:00	If using a DOC or XLS to store passwords, make sure that DOC is pass protected . Not perfect protection , but it helps . & call it something like recipe or todays lunch :-)	1101 (13337)
1436013	2017-06-06 02:20:00	Is it easy to crack password protected excel files these days? I recall back when it used to be virtually impossible There are programs to do it. Maybee they just brute force it, and with the speed of modern day PC's , a simple short excel pass could be brute forced in a short time? how much time would a hacker put into it , rather than move onto the next victim ?	1101 (13337)
1436014	2017-06-06 04:41:00	I have printed a poem from the 1800's extolling moral virtues and hard work, (not something a lowlife would be interested in). I use this as a password finder using various letter positions (1st, last, 2nd in etc ) and running through new letters diagonally vertically And horizontally forwards or backwards. So for instance start at the second line down use the third letter of the first word, then step to the next letter one row down third letter in then progress in a similar fashion until you have a password long enough for your purpose. It helps to have a poem with long and numerous lines. I find creating password this way somehow imprints in your brain to a certain extent, and if I have forgotten a password, just gazing at the poem matrix will nearly always help me find the solution. ( still keep a password backup off site though).	Laggard (17509)
1436015	2017-06-06 05:27:00	Jeez Laggard, I have difficulty remembering the day of the week these days. :) Ken	kenj (9738)
1436016	2017-06-06 10:09:00	Are you still having weeks? Can't remember the last time we had one of those. ;)	R2x1 (4628)
1436017	2017-06-09 18:59:00	I know KeePass has good reviews. But I really don't feel save to save passwords. Hackers can use backdoor to hack saved password. As I don't know which platform is the best I think it will be safe if I use pen and paper. :-)	Erik Schepers (17542)
1436018	2017-06-10 08:45:00	As I don't know which platform is the best I think it will be safe if I use pen and paper. :-) That's the best idea I have heard. No one can hack into that!	Roscoe (6288)
1436019	2017-06-10 19:52:00	That's the best idea I have heard. No one can hack into that! Then you have to memorise it and burn the paper? Ken :banana:banana	kenj (9738)
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