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| Thread ID: 80506 | 2007-06-25 11:36:00 | Interesting perspective on climate change | johcar (6283) | PC World Chat |
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| 562919 | 2007-06-27 11:05:00 | Whatever we might think individually, Muiel Newman makes a very real point- "Even as you read this column, European tourists are being advised against long distance air travel to places like New Zealand because of the carbon omissions. The wine industry is presently being threatened by new “food mile” sanctions, but this is only the beginning. Soon this new form of trade barrier may be applied to all of our exports - meat, dairy, wool, horticulture …everything." If you want the good oil on climate change, here is a site run by scientists. Fascinating stuff and you'll find answers to every climate change challenge. http://www.realclimate.org/ |
Winston001 (3612) | ||
| 562920 | 2007-06-27 11:08:00 | Whatever we might think individually, Muiel Newman makes a very real point- "Even as you read this column, European tourists are being advised against long distance air travel to places like New Zealand because of the carbon omissions. The wine industry is presently being threatened by new “food mile” sanctions, but this is only the beginning. Soon this new form of trade barrier may be applied to all of our exports - meat, dairy, wool, horticulture …everything." If you want the good oil on climate change, here is a site run by scientists. Fascinating stuff and you'll find answers to every climate change challenge. http://www.realclimate.org/ How handy would it be if carbon was indeed omitted in air travel? |
roddy_boy (4115) | ||
| 562921 | 2007-06-27 11:23:00 | They will have to change the rules so that we can all carry 100 or so Pinus Radiata seedlings with us each time we fly. On arrival at our destination, these can then be planted. |
Marnie (4574) | ||
| 562922 | 2007-06-27 11:24:00 | No need to remain in ignorance. Stern Review on the economics of climate change: www.hm-treasury.gov.uk |
zqwerty (97) | ||
| 562923 | 2007-06-27 11:33:00 | How handy would it be if carbon was indeed omitted in air travel? Ok, there are various problems with carbon. Our industrial lifestyle releases huge quantities very suddenly (in geologic time), from oil and coal which were previously locked up within the earth. Carbon can form inorganic compounds, the most well known being CO2. This is a greenhouse gas when it accumulates in the atmosphere, trapping warmth within the atmospheric envelope. However, what is often overlooked, is organic carbon which enters and unbalances the foodchain. This happens to the greatest extent in the oceans and is largely unseen day to day. Plankton (algae) blooms are an example. Carbon isn't good or bad - it is just a problem for us when too much gets into our environment. If you were algae or a eucaryote (www.santafe.edu) you'd be very happy. |
Winston001 (3612) | ||
| 562924 | 2007-06-27 13:07:00 | *Sigh*... I was taking the piss: ...because of the carbon omissions... Should be emissions. |
roddy_boy (4115) | ||
| 562925 | 2007-06-28 08:09:00 | Yeah, nice one NZCPR I always turn to right-wing think tanks for (sensible, unbiased) perspectives on scientific issues |
luvdoctor (11855) | ||
| 562926 | 2007-06-28 09:38:00 | Right Wing = pursuit of sex, money, power = average | zqwerty (97) | ||
| 562927 | 2007-06-28 22:18:00 | the point that climate 'experts' can't even predict short term climate, so how can we rely on long term guesses having any more than a 50% chance of being correct.I'm neither a meteorologist or a statistician, but I suspect the difference is that the short term is predicted by actually looking at the weather, while the long-term is done using statistical and other methods that don't rely on the vagaries of short-term weather changes. I haven't read Muriel Newman's article, but it sounds like she is making the common mistake of confusing weather (short-term) with climate (long-term). | Tony (4941) | ||
| 562928 | 2007-06-28 22:47:00 | I'm neither a meteorologist or a statistician, but I suspect the difference is that the short term is predicted by actually looking at the weather, while the long-term is done using statistical and other methods that don't rely on the vagaries of short-term weather changes. I haven't read Muriel Newman's article, but it sounds like she is making the common mistake of confusing weather (short-term) with climate (long-term). Let us read b4 commenting,one does like to be reasonable. |
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