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Thread ID: 80436	2007-06-23 03:46:00	Microsoft claims Vista most secure OS.....	winmacguy (3367)	PC World Chat

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561838	2007-06-23 05:20:00	I would have thought that a properly designed OS should be secure out of the box without for 3rd party tools to do what should have been done properly in the first place. It is interesting how they can put a bit of PR spin on the statistics to appear in their favour. The tools only become separate from the OS because they're not allowed to be part of the OS itself. Microsoft has integrated search into Vista, and are now being forced to make it a "3rd party" component because Google jumped up and down about it.	somebody (208)
561839	2007-06-23 05:33:00	The tools only become separate from the OS because they're not allowed to be part of the OS itself. Microsoft has integrated search into Vista, and are now being forced to make it a "3rd party" component because Google jumped up and down about it. And good on them for having the gumption to do that. If the tables were turned you can be sure that MS would be doing it to Google faster than Steve Ballmer can throw another chair, after all that is similar to what they did to Netscape.:D MS are not the big scary bully boys on the block that they were in the late 90's. If they were able to set up the admin access rights properly they wouldn't need 3rd party security apps and I see no reason why they can't do that.	winmacguy (3367)
561840	2007-06-23 05:40:00	Remember that more often than not it's the idiot sitting in front of the computer causing the problem, rather than the OS itself.	somebody (208)
561841	2007-06-23 05:49:00	Remember that more often than not it's the idiot sitting in front of the computer causing the problem, rather than the OS itself. And 90% of computer users are idiots.:D If they weren't this web site wouldn't need Speedy and his HJT file. ;)-No offense Speedy:thumbs: The trick is working out how to avoid those problems so that we don't all have to be security savvy to use the web (although common sense is a good thing to avoid giving away your banking details to some email asking you to update them)	winmacguy (3367)
561842	2007-06-23 06:45:00	And 90% of computer users are idiots.:D Very true words!! In fact, the percentage is very probably understated - just ask any Help Desk Analyst!! If they weren't this web site wouldn't need Speedy and his HJT file. -No offense Speedy The trick is working out how to avoid those problems so that we don't all have to be security savvy to use the web (although common sense is a good thing to avoid giving away your banking details to some email asking you to update them)Any OS that is easily accessible to Joe Blow user will be weak in certain areas - compromising the OS to make it usable (yes - and here come the "Apple did it successfully" comments :D). The difference is that until recently Apple hardware and software has been waaay overpriced, and still carries a premium that some would say is undeserved!. The only other real option available that is "secure" is Linux, but that is not intuitive to use. It helps if you are a geek with a bit of time on your hands. Windows is still by far and away the most popular OS (in its many forms over the years and despite its many failings) in the world and for that reason and for the sometimes (!!??!!) arrogant attitude of Microsoft towards its customers, it is a target of the tall poppy brigade. The number of businesses using non-Microsoft OS/software would be a small percentage of the total (the main exception being publishing, advertising and graphic art studios which use Apple for its traditional strengths in those area - and for the 'cool' factor that those industries like to adopt :) ) If you want a stable/secure Windows OS, don't install any software and don't connect to the interweb :D - "Nice paperweight you have there!!" There are risks associated with all human endeavour - the best attitude is a "best efforts" one...	johcar (6283)
561843	2007-06-23 07:03:00	[quote=johcar;563451]the main exception being publishing, advertising and graphic art studios which use Apple for its traditional strengths in those area - and for the 'cool' factor that those industries like to adopt :) ) /quote] Dunno if this is still true, I doubt it is, Everyone I know in these industries is now using the PC platform. The only strength Apple had in these areas was performance, and they lost that advantage over a decade ago. Granted I only know 20 or so people in the above listed industries, But none that I know use a Mac.	Metla (12)
561844	2007-06-23 07:18:00	If the article had been headlined " Vista is Microsoft's most secure system yet" I would agree with them. I take it you haven't seen the inside of many design or production studios Metla. The only large magazine publishing house I know of that is a Microsoft shop running InDesign is ACP Media in Westhaven, just about every other decent sized place I can think of would use Macs in their studio with the exception of some corporate in house marketing departments that get by using MS Publisher. It's a little bit hard to work in business if your not connected to the web these days ;) It is the Apple hardware that carries a bit of a premium rather than the software although that gap is gradually reducing in NZ.	winmacguy (3367)
561845	2007-06-23 07:24:00	If the article had been headlined " Vista is Microsoft's most secure system yet" I would agree with them.But that would be a very presumputous statement to make. 'Based on what?' would be my next question. Vista is still new, it has no proven track record to base any security statistics on.	Myth (110)
561846	2007-06-23 07:29:00	But that would be a very presumputous statement to make. 'Based on what?' would be my next question. Vista is still new, it has no proven track record to base any security statistics on. As is the statement about it being the most secure of all operating systems (based on vulnerabilities patched and the time it took to patch them from when they were discovered). At least they could say that it is still more secure than XP so far.	winmacguy (3367)
561847	2007-06-23 07:45:00	I thought they said that about xp (www.macobserver.com) One for you winmacguy (the source I mean) :lol:	beama (111)
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