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Thread ID: 80551	2007-06-27 07:47:00	Science or Religion? What do you believe?	radium (8645)	PC World Chat

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563583	2007-06-28 11:14:00	If I had a child, I'll raise it to be a good Christian. Then when it's 12 or so years old, I'll have a good talk with my child and let him/her decide what path he/she wants to take. I don't think I can leave my child to make that decision when he/she is only 5 years old. So you'd poison the minds of your kids, fill their heads with guilt, fear, paranoia and superstition that will take them the rest of their lives straighten out, and then at the tender age of 12 expect them to make an informed decision? Do you actually read your posts before you click submit?	Mackin_NZ (6958)
563584	2007-06-28 11:20:00	I don't think 5 year olds can make this kind of choice on their own......by about 10, their experience with the world and the numerous views people have may still be too limited. Why 5? Let them grow up to be adults then make decision. "numerous views people have may still be too limited." Numerous views. then why would they be limited? I think that many people have open views If I had a child, I'll raise it to be a good Christian. Then when it's 12 or so years old, I'll have a good talk with my child and let him/her decide what path he/she wants to take. I don't think I can leave my child to make that decision when he/she is only 5 years old. I understand what your saying, I just don't think you need religion to raise your children. I'm not saying you should raise them Atheists either. Why not just raise your child to be a good child. From your teachings, morals and princibles. They don't need God or Laws to tell them right from wrong, just you. And believe it or not humans have a natural ability to learn whats right from wrong, with out life long guidance Do we need god to say whats morally right? We sure don't Those unfortunate enough to think they reserve a place in heaven by bombing themselves and killing innocent people are poor, misguided fools. I certainly will not teach my children that killing themselves in the name of god is honorable. It's anything but. Nice we agree on something.	radium (8645)
563585	2007-06-28 11:24:00	OK, so the list continues .... Pedalslammer (aka MTLance aka various other names I won't mention) the pirate winmacguy the MAC zealot and now radium the zealous atheist </yawn> Incidentally, never argue religion with an atheist (just a lesson I learnt from IRC :))	Myth (110)
563586	2007-06-28 11:24:00	So you'd poison the minds of your kids, fill their heads with guilt, fear, paranoia and superstition that will take them the rest of their lives straighten out, and then at the tender age of 12 expect them to make an informed decision? Very True Well Put Mackin_NZ Thats something you have to consider qazwsxokmijn thats what religion does to children. It has taken years for some people to break free and think for themselfs. Do you really want to put your children through this?	radium (8645)
563587	2007-06-28 11:29:00	OK, so the list continues .... Pedalslammer (aka MTLance aka various other names I won't mention) the pirate winmacguy the MAC zealot and now radium the zealous atheist </yawn> Incidentally, never argue religion with an atheist (just a lesson I learnt from IRC :)) :) :rolleyes: I would call it a debate not an argument.	radium (8645)
563588	2007-06-28 11:46:00	So you'd poison the minds of your kids, fill their heads with guilt, fear, paranoia and superstition that will take them the rest of their lives straighten out, and then at the tender age of 12 expect them to make an informed decision? Do you actually read your posts before you click submit? No, I choose Christianity because it is a worldwide religion. This makes it easier as Christianity does teach good lessons for life, such as be kind to others, respect others, etc, and these teachings are expressed throughout their childhood in schools, playgroups, etc. Raising children to preteens as a Christian is not poison. It doesn't have to be. It's poison if you let it to be. The Muslim religion - the senseless martyrs - that's poison - because whoever taught these martyrs Islam let it be poison. If you raised a child as Muslim correctly, that child will not bomb itself in buses or trains. A true Muslim is one who strongly clings to Islamic teachings, but has respectable tolerance towards different religions. The same applies to every other religions - even atheism, if you call that a religion. Of course, I won't make my children a hardcore Christian - you know, reading the bible every night, etc....I will just do what my parents did to me and my brothers - we go to church many Sunday mornings or Saturday evenings, but my parents did not shove Christianity down our throats. By the time I was 13, I began to realise how the state of the world contradicts what god supposedly say he feels about us. That's how I started to doubt the Christian god's mercy and kindness, and turned to atheism. Sure, I can just do all the moral teachings to my children - but why do that when our society can do that? I was raised Christian, and I still like the morals Christianity teaches us - I just don't like the idea of worshiping a logically non-existing god.	qazwsxokmijn (102)
563589	2007-06-28 11:52:00	Damn I hate this self-satisfied, smug, stuck up, narrow-minded, bigoted little sentiment that is often expressed by those who have religion towards those that do not. It is the hieght of delusional arrogance to assume that all morality flows from religion. That human beings who live their lives without religion are uncapable of possessing true ethics or morals. Quite agree Bruce. You just need to look at the Mafia, IRA and a whole raft of others who are quite prepared to top someone. The number of priests that have molested children. The list goes on. I only ever new my father go to church for funerals, christenings or weddings and yet one day when the seventh day adventists turned up and quoted something from the bible, off his nut he quoted something from the bible that contradicted their quote. He did this to them three times before they took off with their tail between their legs which left my brother and I flabbergasted.	mikebartnz (21)
563590	2007-06-28 11:56:00	off his nut he quoted something from the bible that contradicted their quote. He did this to them three times before they took off with their tail between their legs which left my brother and I flabbergasted. Ooooh this gotta be good. What were the quotes?	qazwsxokmijn (102)
563591	2007-06-28 19:39:00	I only ever new my father go to church for funerals, christenings or weddings and yet one day when the seventh day adventists turned up and quoted something from the bible, off his nut he quoted something from the bible that contradicted their quote. He did this to them three times before they took off with their tail between their legs which left my brother and I flabbergasted.I swear, everytime my father saw some missionaries turn up on his door-step he would smile, invite them in to the table and sit them down. He would then offer refreshments and casually walk up to his room and get his Bible. They usually left 2-3 hours later (usually wiser) after a 'good debate' :p	Myth (110)
563592	2007-06-28 21:13:00	No, I choose Christianity because it is a worldwide religion. Right. Go with the masses. An obviously long thought out, reasoned choice. Islam is worldwide too. And 84% of sheeple believe in miracle cures too. But then religion and logic never did have any connection.	pctek (84)
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