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| Thread ID: 80551 | 2007-06-27 07:47:00 | Science or Religion? What do you believe? | radium (8645) | PC World Chat |
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| 563573 | 2007-06-28 06:51:00 | Damn I hate this self-satisfied, smug, stuck up, narrow-minded, bigoted little sentiment that is often expressed by those who have religion towards those that do not. It is the hieght of delusional arrogance to assume that all morality flows from religion. That human beings who live their lives without religion are uncapable of possessing true ethics or morals. I couldn't agree with you more Some* Religious people seam to think that without faith or believing in god, that we atheists have no morals, and that living purely under the law, as boundaries to live by is not acceptable. On the Richard Dawkins Root of all Evil? Doco, he was speaking to a religious person who said that without believing in God people would be murderers, rapists, robbers and paedophiles. What was scary was he seamed to believe this. Richard said to him so the only reason you don't murder, rape of or a sexual predator is because you believe in god. And he basically said yes. What a warped way of thinking. Look at a suicide bomber- why does he do it? Because he believes he is doing it for good and that he will be rewarded in the after life. People should live for the here and now because that is all we have. That is a stronger principle then rules to follow by some god, for how you will be deemed by him in some after life. |
radium (8645) | ||
| 563574 | 2007-06-28 07:23:00 | Is darwinism due for an upgrade? (www.nytimes.com) | Myth (110) | ||
| 563575 | 2007-06-28 08:16:00 | If the universe is so detailed and intricate, it must have a creator. The creator must be just as if not more detailed and intricate than its creations. Therefore it too must have a creator. The creationism argument disappears up itself recursively. Therefore no, I believe in evolution | V1sta (6614) | ||
| 563576 | 2007-06-28 08:57:00 | Damn I hate this self-satisfied, smug, stuck up, narrow-minded, bigoted little sentiment that is often expressed by those who have religion towards those that do not. It is the hieght of delusional arrogance to assume that all morality flows from religion. That human beings who live their lives without religion are uncapable of possessing true ethics or morals. Hey... I am just stating out my opinion. I am not explicitly stating that one must have religion in order to be human. Personally, I am not that religious after seeing the effects that it has on one. |
Renmoo (66) | ||
| 563577 | 2007-06-28 09:18:00 | Some Richard Dawkins Quotes: "For many people, part of growing up is killing off the virus of faith with a good strong dose of rational thinking. But if an individual doesn't succeed in shaking it off, his mind is stuck in a permanent state of infancy, and there is a real danger that he will infect the next generation." "We are all atheists about most of the gods that societies have ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further. ” “ We are going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones. Most people are never going to die, because they are never going to be born. The number of people who could be here in my place outnumbers the sand grains of Sahara. If you think about all the different ways our genes could be permuted, you and I are quite grotesquely lucky to be here: the number of events that had to happen in order for you to exist, in order for me to exist. We are privileged to be alive and we should make the most of our time on this world." |
radium (8645) | ||
| 563578 | 2007-06-28 09:31:00 | Love it Plod, very droll. Here for a good time not a long time. | zqwerty (97) | ||
| 563579 | 2007-06-28 09:31:00 | Make sure you correctly understand the meaning of the term "theory" ( . talkorigins . org/indexcc/CA/CA201 . html" target="_blank">www . talkorigins . org) Nice Link and well put Mackin NZ Thought I would post it incase people don't click the link The word theory, in the context of science, does not imply uncertainty . It means "a coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomena" (Barnhart 1948) . In the case of the theory of evolution, the following are some of the phenomena involved . All are facts: Life appeared on earth more than two billion years ago; Life forms have changed and diversified over life's history; Species are related via common descent from one or a few common ancestors; Natural selection is a significant factor affecting how species change . Many other facts are explained by the theory of evolution as well . The theory of evolution has proved itself in practice . It has useful applications in epidemiology, pest control, drug discovery, and other areas (Bull and Wichman 2001; Eisen and Wu 2002; Searls 2003) . Besides the theory, there is the fact of evolution, the observation that life has changed greatly over time . The fact of evolution was recognized even before Darwin's theory . The theory of evolution explains the fact . If "only a theory" were a real objection, creationists would also be issuing disclaimers complaining about the theory of gravity, atomic theory, the germ theory of disease, and the theory of limits (on which calculus is based) . The theory of evolution is no less valid than any of these . Even the theory of gravity still receives serious challenges (Milgrom 2002) . Yet the phenomenon of gravity, like evolution, is still a fact . Creationism is neither theory nor fact; it is, at best, only an opinion . Since it explains nothing, it is scientifically useless . |
radium (8645) | ||
| 563580 | 2007-06-28 09:54:00 | As I see it, young children needs some sort of religion to give them a good dose of morality. I'm not saying atheists like me have no morals, but you've got to admit - Christian societies and and churches do much of the job for you! The only thing you need to endure is an hour of church most Sundays. Then, when the children are old enough, let them decide what they want to believe in - if they want to convert into another religion - let them. They want to be atheists - let them. So long as they stick to the good social teachings and life's morals taught by their childhood religion, I think they'd do just fine in life. |
qazwsxokmijn (102) | ||
| 563581 | 2007-06-28 10:39:00 | qazwsxokmijn That’s a strange comment to make from an atheist . I disagree . Why do we need religion to teach our children morals and ethics? Answer: We don't I think these children are being brain washed by religion . . Why not let them grow up and then decide on whether or not they want to join a religion . That would make more sense . We don't force our political beliefs on our children . We let our children grow up and develop first that’s why the age limit to vote is 18 . Do just fine in life??? What about the extreme cases and there are thousands of them where religious people take the life’s of others like suicide bombers and other religious based killings, for their beliefs . A religious person in America killed a Doctor because he performed abortions . He did it for God he said . You could say he’s crazy and he must be, but his Minister of his church praised his actions! This is a Doctor that had a wife and family . Where are the morals and ethics there! Look at all the wars that are caused by religious belief . You can’t deny them . Least forget 911- twin towers . And they still exist and always will if religion continues to rise . |
radium (8645) | ||
| 563582 | 2007-06-28 11:02:00 | Why not let them grow up and then decide on whether or not they want to join a religion. That would make more sense. I don't think 5 year olds can make this kind of choice on their own......until about 10, their experience with the world and the numerous views people have may still be too limited. If I had a child, I'll raise it to be a good Christian. Then when it's 12 or so years old, I'll have a good talk with my child and let him/her decide what path he/she wants to take. I don't think I can leave my child to make that decision when he/she is only 5 years old. Do just fine in life??? What about the extreme cases and there are thousands of them where religious people take the life’s of others like suicide bombers and other religious based killings, for their beliefs. As you say - these unfortunate things happen at the very extreme cases. I will never teach my children to become pointless martyrs. Those unfortunate enough to think they reserve a place in heaven by bombing themselves and killing innocent people are poor, misguided fools. I certainly will not teach my children that killing themselves in the name of god is honorable. It's anything but. And Radium, it seems like you are subconsciously picking on Islam. You have to remember that once Christians were as bad as those 'martyr' Islams. There had been numerous crusades in which Christians forced their religion down people's throats. But now this has stopped, although it has evolved to door-to-door rounds..... I'd like to think what some 'martyr' Islams are doing now will stop over time - much like the Christian's crusades. Someday they will all realise that religions can and should get along in harmony - along with atheism. Imagine what a world that would be. |
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