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| Thread ID: 80551 | 2007-06-27 07:47:00 | Science or Religion? What do you believe? | radium (8645) | PC World Chat |
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| 563553 | 2007-06-27 11:07:00 | That is why I hate people like Flanders from The Simpsons. I don't hate them as a human being, but I hate them for how they can try to preach their beliefs on atheists. :lol: :lol: Too true, that includes, door knockers and preachers |
radium (8645) | ||
| 563554 | 2007-06-27 11:31:00 | Just the other day a Jehovah guy doing a door-to-door round came up and offered me a little insight to Jehovah. I listened for 5 minutes, then declined. Damn guy insisted that I take a 25-page pamphlet to 'open my heart to God'. I'll be interested to see what PF1's resident "Jehovah Guy" (SurferJoe) has to say in this thread. |
Mackin_NZ (6958) | ||
| 563555 | 2007-06-27 11:50:00 | I'll be interested to see what PF1's resident "Jehovah Guy" (SurferJoe) has to say in this thread. Keep in mind I'm not insulting Jehovah followers in any way. I can easily change the text Jehovah with Muslims, Christians or any other religion that may knock on my door. I opened my mind to what he had to say for 5 minutes, but made my decision not to hear further - I wasn't interested. |
qazwsxokmijn (102) | ||
| 563556 | 2007-06-27 11:51:00 | Religion is highly incompatible with just about everything, especially other religions. I still remember Albert Einstein has once made this quote: "Science without religion is blind" Without religion, there wouldn't be ethical boundaries as to what we can do with science. Having said so, religion also restricts our expansion of knowledge regarding science. A double-edged sword, one might point out... I believe life started with the basic assembly of molecules into the very fundamental organic unit - amino acid. There was a classic experiment performed by a group of scientists in attempt to reenact the first moments when a soup of various molecules is continuously being subject to lightning and intense heat. After a week or so, they manage to discover amino acids in the flask. It is not that hard to play god afterall. :D Cheers :) |
Renmoo (66) | ||
| 563557 | 2007-06-27 11:53:00 | I opened my mind to what he had to say for 5 minutes, but made my decision not to hear further - I wasn't interested . Id go postal listening to that for 5 minutes . I open the door, leaving the wire mesh door closed, Tell them to state their business, within 1 second I have instructed them to leave my property and not come back . If they have old people with them I tell them to F off . |
Metla (12) | ||
| 563558 | 2007-06-27 11:57:00 | I still remember Albert Einstein has once made this quote: "Science without religion is blind" Without religion, there wouldn't be ethical boundaries as to what we can do with science. Having said so, religion also restricts our expansion of knowledge regarding science. A double-edged sword, one might point out...:D Cheers :) Then this Einstein guy is a hack, I reject religion yet I have ethics, Hell I wouldn't do half the things Scientists do, never mind the "ethical" behaviour of religious people. |
Metla (12) | ||
| 563559 | 2007-06-27 14:23:00 | The apparent conflict between science and religions is derived from the fundamentalist concept that the Bible is the inspired word of God, consequently it is totally correct and therefore is unquestionable. The rather unpalatable fact about the Bible is that it was written by what passed for educated men, some two thousand years ago when man's knowledge of the world and the concepts of science were virtually non existent by today' standards. For those that who still adhere to the inspired word of God concept, there is no coming to terms with evolution or the discoveries of modern science that contradict the bible. The King James authorised version of the Bible was translated from the Latin Version some 400 years ago, and mans knowledge at that time was still extremely limited. To the question, is there or is there not a God? the atheist arrogantly says there is no God, not that Gods existence or non existence can be conclusively proved, the agnostic more honestly takes the attitude, "I do not know" whilst the believer accepts that God exists, but the basis of the belief is primarily faith, and faith is often a consequence of indoctrination from an early age. The evolutionist can quite happily espouse the idea that the entire Universe gradually evolved into what exists today by a series of random events and chance. However, if one looks at all creation, the relationship between energy and matter, the evolution of life forms and the evolution of species, there is a logic and orderliness about it that suggests that perhaps there was some super intelligence, beyond man's comprehension that guided the process, and one might like to thing of that super intelligence as divine or even as God. With our limited knowledge and intellect I believe it is well beyond our powers to positively ascertain one way or other. But if this intelligence does exist, what is there to indicate that it cares for each one of us, and what we do or how we live our lives. This is where faith comes in - if there is a reason for the existence of each and every one of us, and we all would like to think that our lives are something more purposeful that a random event, then faith in God can provide both the purpose and an answer. Nevertheless, a person who believes in a divine spirit can still subscribe to the concepts of evolutionary development of species. |
KenESmith (6287) | ||
| 563560 | 2007-06-27 17:16:00 | God is not something we can explain nor love | inova (12463) | ||
| 563561 | 2007-06-27 19:39:00 | The apparent conflict between science and religions is derived from the fundamentalist concept that the Bible is the inspired word of God, consequently it is totally correct and therefore is unquestionable. The rather unpalatable fact about the Bible is that it was written by what passed for educated men, some two thousand years ago when man's knowledge of the world and the concepts of science were virtually non existent by today' standards. For those that who still adhere to the inspired word of God concept, there is no coming to terms with evolution or the discoveries of modern science that contradict the bible. The King James authorised version of the Bible was translated from the Latin Version some 400 years ago, and mans knowledge at that time was still extremely limited. To the question, is there or is there not a God? the atheist arrogantly says there is no God, not that Gods existence or non existence can be conclusively proved, the agnostic more honestly takes the attitude, "I do not know" whilst the believer accepts that God exists, but the basis of the belief is primarily faith, and faith is often a consequence of indoctrination from an early age. The evolutionist can quite happily espouse the idea that the entire Universe gradually evolved into what exists today by a series of random events and chance. However, if one looks at all creation, the relationship between energy and matter, the evolution of life forms and the evolution of species, there is a logic and orderliness about it that suggests that perhaps there was some super intelligence, beyond man's comprehension that guided the process, and one might like to thing of that super intelligence as divine or even as God. With our limited knowledge and intellect I believe it is well beyond our powers to positively ascertain one way or other. But if this intelligence does exist, what is there to indicate that it cares for each one of us, and what we do or how we live our lives. This is where faith comes in - if there is a reason for the existence of each and every one of us, and we all would like to think that our lives are something more purposeful that a random event, then faith in God can provide both the purpose and an answer. Nevertheless, a person who believes in a divine spirit can still subscribe to the concepts of evolutionary development of species.Agreed 100% :thumbs: |
Myth (110) | ||
| 563562 | 2007-06-27 21:13:00 | The rather unpalatable fact about the Bible is that it was written by what passed for educated men, some two thousand years ago Lets be accurate. The bible wasn't written then. A bunch of writings was written then. Much later a lot of them were selected and formed into what is now known as the bible. They left a lot out too because it didn't fit with what had then evolved into Christianity. As for the poll question this is what incites the creationists. They think its an either or question. I believe in neither. Because evolution as it is at present is the current theory. Note the important distinction there - theory. They change this theory now and then, debate aspects of it. For instance there is some thought that it didn't occur slowly bit by bit, perhpas it was a quite sudden change with certain things. I believe in neither because we do not have the complete answer yet. No reason to be upset about that, we're still learning. It does NOT mean you then have to believe in Creationism. |
pctek (84) | ||
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