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| Thread ID: 80551 | 2007-06-27 07:47:00 | Science or Religion? What do you believe? | radium (8645) | PC World Chat |
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| 563683 | 2007-07-13 03:55:00 | No matter what religion, sect, faith you have I will tolerate you so long as you do not affect my family or friends in an adverse manner. Hmm........Conditional acceptance? :illogical A sure sign of a closed mind actually, and a classic example of the ills thrust upon humankind by religion: "I'll accept you on condition you....." and it's all downhill from there. Depending on which Supreme Being upon whom you elect to align your faith, and there are many to choose from, you will be at odds with a substantial proportion of the world's population and their various beliefs, and if you believe in the "Christian" model of the supreme being, you are in a rapidly declining minority group. No "Supreme Being" could ever create such a mess, but the imagination and ambition of men knows no such bounds. Cheers Billy 8-{) |
Billy T (70) | ||
| 563684 | 2007-07-13 04:35:00 | sometime in the not too distant future, whether we like it or not, there is a high probability that our social system may be subject to sustained threat from a religious culture alien to our western way of life, and we may be forced to pay a high price not to lose it. You know, you are not wrong there Ciccy, and history is on your side. The Muslim hordes got through the gates of Europe before they were finally repelled, and the Crusades inflicted similar indignities on their faith, causing wounds that still fester. So what has changed? Religion is the root of all evil, not the saviour of humanity. Cheers Billy 8-{) |
Billy T (70) | ||
| 563685 | 2007-07-13 05:04:00 | You know, you are not wrong there Ciccy, and history is on your side. The Muslim hordes got through the gates of Europe before they were finally repelled, and the Crusades inflicted similar indignities on their faith, causing wounds that still fester. So what has changed? Religion is the root of all evil, not the saviour of humanity. Cheers Billy 8-{) So true B,mores the pity we can't get that across to the hordes. Ah the nature of man,we the patience of Speedy to cope with it. |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 563686 | 2007-07-13 05:38:00 | You know, you are not wrong there Ciccy, and history is on your side . The Muslim hordes got through the gates of Europe before they were finally repelled, and the Crusades inflicted similar indignities on their faith, causing wounds that still fester . So what has changed? Religion is the root of all evil, not the saviour of humanity . Cheers Billy 8-{) Tsk, tsk, tsk Bill . . . . as I see it, the "Muslim problem" isn't over yet in Europe . The French are now trying to find out what went wrong with their assessment that the Muslim imports would assimilate into the general populace . . but it didn't happen that way and now the French are trying to find ways to break up the centralized hordes that create their own barrios and towns and mafias . Denmark, Holland and Sweden are all in the same boat . The Medo-Persian empire is still very much alive and on the warpath . The crusades are still going on, The Holy Roman Empire has a stranglehold on the ignorant and uneducated peoples of foreign lands and fear and iconry are rampant with pedophiles and protection from mother Rome in the form of Papal Bulls . Chanting, rosaries and ceaseless prayers are their narcotics as are hypnotizing artifacts in the form of statuary and icons in abundance . Babylonians are still running around with chants, relics and triune gods with troika heads and mother earth queens . The American Indians worship cachinas and flying gods and spirits of earth, wind and fire just like the Aztecs, Tolteks and Mayas . The Aleut gods are the same as the Oriental ones, just in heavier clothing . They all hate each other and will kill at the drop of a prayer shawl, mitre or crucifix . You are very right though on the assumption that organized religion is the cause of the world's grief and mayhem . Here's a funny part: The three largest religions in the world are all at war with each other . 1) The Muslims 2) The Jews 3) The so-called "Christians" The Muslims all hearken back to the Abrahamic Covenant . The Jews proclaim the same lineage of Abraham and therefor same covenant . The two unified world powers of the day, the British/American duality also defer to the God of Abraham in the form of the New Covenant via the Judeo-Christian ethic . Now ask yourself . . . if they all have the same rules, covenants and blessings, are of the same brotherhood and spiritual lineage and have the same god, why do they kill one another? I enjoy your comments, and seriously I see that you are really correct in what you say on that point . You are more like me than you know you are . Thankfully you also see the big picture . |
SurferJoe46 (51) | ||
| 563687 | 2007-07-13 05:47:00 | I enjoy your comments, and seriously I see that you are really correct in what you say on that point . You are more like me than you know you are . Thankfully you also see the big picture . And may god rest your soul . |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 563688 | 2007-07-13 06:01:00 | Evolution at work: news.bbc.co.uk That is what is meant by natural selection. Where's your proof Joe? |
andrew93 (249) | ||
| 563689 | 2007-07-13 06:17:00 | More bad religious advice: . ananova . com/news/story/sm_1996710 . html?menu=news . quirkies . sexlife" target="_blank">www . ananova . com Seems you can't even trust a good witchdoctor any more! :thumbs: Caution, MIGHT be provocative material! |
SurferJoe46 (51) | ||
| 563690 | 2007-07-13 09:01:00 | You almost seem like an atheist with some of your posts SurferJoe, well an atheist towards religious strongholds and theirs corrupt ways . Which has to be a good thing . Why not jump the fence and join the rest of us Atheists . It’s great over here . :thumbs: I think Penn Jilette put it right when he said "Everybody has to believe in something and I believe there is no god" I echo those sentiments . |
radium (8645) | ||
| 563691 | 2007-07-13 17:23:00 | Nah . . I think I'll stay the way I am . . . it hasn't caused me any problems . I actually like the faith in forever and a god who cares and will ultimately fix things . It causes me to live a better life: I care about people, enjoy a good social conversation and try to not force my lifestyle on anyone . . after all it's their choice to be whatever they want to be and I surely don't mind talking about it . I choose not to argue or debate however, as someone then has to be vanquished or suffer defeat . The very fact that there are different colors of paint indicates that people are rather expressive and seek to have satisfaction in their lives, homes and associations . I think we all cherish independence and celebrate our personal uniqueness and accept and allow other's differences nicely . . er . . with a few exceptions . Living the lifestyle I have, doesn't cause anyone else any problems either . . . . . unless they just want me to die and blow away because I am different from they or can adhere to standards that they themselves either failed or cannot understand . We also know that there are people who just hate for the sake of hate and want to harm others for their beliefs . I call these types "boat-rockers" and they would not be happy until everyone is like themselves or dead . Atheism is a kinda strange concept . Typically it means "without a god", but I see it a little different . Something has to be at the height of life for everyone . . . survival, success, love, sex, money, iPods . . get the idea? Staunch disdain for a divinity is also a religion unto itself . . the religion of denial as I see it from my side of the fence . However . . staunch disdain for FALSE religion is a breath of fresh air . I shun organized religion . . and although that might raise an eyebrow or two . . what I mean is that I dislike those that say they are god-like and yet don't adhere to the principles of the liturgy or the rules of the faith they say they follow . Some other religious zealots preach total destruction of any lifestyle that is not in lockstep with their own . Death to infidels! Death to the Great Satan! Death to white or black or purple people! Death to everyone else but themselves . I choose to be a Witness . . . and if that's bad in some eyes, then that's the way it is . Just my very existence and having such a faith causes some to hate me for being so . But, I respectfully say, although I make mistakes and miss the mark many times daily, even hourly, I still cause no-one any harm . I don't hate anyone and although I may seriously dislike what you do, I don't hate who you are: I rather cherish you for thinking . HATING: That's like being a human and saying you hate humans and we can't go there . Now we all know that humans are generally not nice as a group or in the herd, mentality-wise, otherwise there would not be gangs and thugs and mafias and warring politicians or preachers of hate with well-annealed followers . A PERSON, though is usually quite nice when taken out of the herd . Humans in groups however, like to impose or even vote for order and beliefs and standards for everyone outside their own sanctimonious circle or they will declare war on those that don't comply . A PERSON however, likes to be accepted and generally considered a "Team-Human" player . . at least on an individual level . People (singularly) like camaraderie, and as gregarious beings, like to be around other people (plurally) . Some people who profess to read the Bible even claim that they know god or Jesus . . but that's a false, incomplete hope . If these people know god or Jesus, then they also know that Satan knows god or Jesus, and that "knowing" that fact doesn't do Satan any good . That is, of course if the person actually reads the Bible . Just knowing is not enough . I'm just trying to state the inconsistencies with that line of reasoning . There's a bigger problem . In a gathering of "persons" someone will always seek either autonomy or power . I don't fully ascribe to the Alpha/Beta dog theory, but more and more I see it happening . Some people just want to rule and be the giant "IT"l, and they establish a scriptural reference out of context or 'way off-base and create a church and a god with that perverted information . Evidence the "snake-cults" of US Appalachia who handle poisonous vipers invoking the Bible verse from Isaiah 21:8 . Their Bible may only contain that one page, the other pages considered less important and spurious . Cruelty to, and conscription of, other people is what has caused the greatest amount of pain in the world in the name of god . . . and I see that as coming from so-called "organized religion" . Therein lies my hate . I know by your posts that you too see the same thing . I hear the frustration of peoples' realizations that the churches have sold them out of truth and god in many cases for money, position or other egregious activities that may or may not be obvious . Their bitterness is obvious . Their discontent reeks . I read it in the lines of posted replies and acid remarks by very intelligent people . Being "churched" will kill the spirit and love in anyone . Becoming "out-churched" is the only way some can handle the hate they have for the lies and deceit of the church leaders . Some just hate everything god-like . I can see why . I would rather talk to a person with no god than a person with a god of discrimination, hate for others, or allegiances to national heroes and figureheads . . . . . . at least the person with no god has not been poisoned by a false one . Individually, I find most people here (emphasis on "most"), seem to be kind and sincere and hopeful . . either for themselves and families or the world or the laws of science and technology . The others are sincere and hateful . . a religious hate with much personal sincerity . These first people I consider part of my social circle . . . after all we circle around a common thread of question/help/ideas/assistance all the time . What could be more village-like and kindly or considerate? I have learned and still do learn a lot from everyone here from our little community . :thumbs: Hopefully, I too have assisted at least in some minor way . |
SurferJoe46 (51) | ||
| 563692 | 2007-07-13 19:56:00 | I believe in Science & Technology and also believes in God Almighty | Mr Wetzyl (362) | ||
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