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Thread ID: 80961	2007-07-11 00:15:00	No more food from China please !	Digby (677)	PC World Chat

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567981	2007-07-17 20:19:00	So how often will this pollution find its way into the food products shipped overseas? I think pretty frequently .... As many as 300 million people are drinking contaminated water every day, and 190 million are suffering from water-related illnesses each year. If air pollution is not controlled, it says, there will be 600,000 premature deaths in urban areas and 20 million cases of respiratory illness a year within 15 years. China's water quality causes the researchers great concern. One third of the length of all China's rivers are now "highly polluted" as are 75% of its major lakes and 25% of all its coastal waters. Nearly 30,000 children die from diarrhoea due to polluted water each year. "A majority of the water flowing through China's urban areas is unsuitable for drinking or fishing," the report says. Although China is the world's fourth largest economy, growing 10% a year and closing rapidly on the US, Japan and Germany, its environmental standards are often closer to those in some of the poorest countries in the world, says the report. More than 17,000 towns have no sewage works at all and the human waste from nearly a billion people is barely collected or treated. Nearly 70% of the rural population have no access to safe sanitation. www.guardian.co.uk	netchicken (4843)
567982	2007-07-17 20:31:00	Oh i missed the most telling quote fromt he article above... If you have a reputation for being a polluted country, then you have a bad trademark abroad. It's very hard to sell pharmaceuticals, to sell food and feed from a country that has a reputation for being polluted.	netchicken (4843)
567983	2007-07-17 21:59:00	For those who think or belief that China is so filty dirty, polluted and China products are all craps, sub-standard and rubbish, well, the solution is very simple: Stop visiting China, stop going to invest in China, stop buying China products. After all, nobody is forcing (can't force, anyway) anyone to do all the above-mentioned. China is not forcing any other country in this world to buy their products or visiting China or investing in China. What's the fuss about it? Why make yourself so miserable? As the old saying goes: If you can't beat them, join them; if you can't join them, leave them! Pretty simple, eh?:D	bk T (215)
567984	2007-07-17 23:04:00	no actually its a pretty pathetic excuse for an argument really . As an apologist for China you are making a poor show of it . When people get sick, and pets die, from imported food then its EVERYONES concern to get it right . Look at this . . . In the past year, the FDA rejected a higher proportion of food shipments from China to the USA than from any other country . The rejected shipments make an unappetizing list . Inspectors commonly block Chinese food imports because they're "filthy . " That's the official term . They might smell decomposition . They might see gross contamination of the food . 'Filthy' is a broad term for a product that is not fit for human consumption, Hubbard says . Another rejection code is "vet-drug-res . That means the food product, usually things like fish, seafood and eels, contains residues of veterinary drugs, such as antibiotics and antifungals . These fish are often raised in polluted water, unfortunately . So they're given these drugs to treat them Hubbard says . Drug residues in food are illegal . They promote antibiotic resistance, which makes drugs useless when they're needed . One drug that routinely shows up in Chinese food imports is dangerous . It's a veterinary antibiotic that causes cancer in animals . When Hubbard was at the FDA, he heard all kinds of stories about foreign food processors, like the one a staffer told him after visiting a Chinese factory that makes herbal tea . To speed up the drying process, they would lay the tea leaves out on a huge warehouse floor and drive trucks over them so that the exhaust would more rapidly dry the leaves out . And the problem there is that the Chinese use leaded gasoline, so they were essentially spewing the lead over all these leaves . Hubbard says . That lead-contaminated herbal tea would only be caught by FDA inspectors at the border if they knew to look for it, Hubbard says . "The system is so understaffed now that what is being caught and stopped is only a fraction of the food that's actually slipping through the net," he says . . npr . org/templates/story/story . php?storyId=10410111&ps=bb2" target="_blank">www . npr . org From . stuffucanuse . com/xmb/viewthread . php?tid=4184" target="_blank">xmb . stuffucanuse . com	netchicken (4843)
567985	2007-07-18 02:15:00	I am so going to check all the labels a lot more carefully from now on. :lol:	FoxyMX (5)
567986	2007-07-18 02:19:00	As I've mentioned repeatedly earlier on, the answer is SIMPLE: STOP BUYING ANYTHING THAT IS MADE OR PRODUCED IN CHIINA. China did not forced any country to buy their products. ****** Compare the folowing 2 scenarios: (You may not know or remember): The British Govt FORCED China (China was so weak and helpless at that time) to buy opiums from them hundred over years ago, and Now, many countries are buying (at their own will) so-called (or claimed) sub-standard or crap products from China. ******* End of the story and "Interesting" exchanges of views.	bk T (215)
567987	2007-07-18 02:30:00	As I've mentioned repeatedly earlier on, the answer is SIMPLE: STOP BUYING ANYTHING THAT IS MADE OR PRODUCED IN CHIINA . China did not forced any country to buy their products . ****** Compare the folowing 2 scenarios: (You may not know or remember): The British Govt FORCED China (China was so weak and helpless at that time) to buy opiums from them hundred over years ago, and Now, many countries are buying (at their own will) so-called (or claimed) sub-standard or crap products from China . ******* End of the story and "Interesting" exchanges of views . That would put the warehouse out of business . Often where the product or food is made is not disclosed on the good, so often people don't have a choice .	robbyp (2751)
567988	2007-07-18 05:57:00	That would put the warehouse out of business. Often where the product or food is made is not disclosed on the good, so often people don't have a choice. I started this thread and the above is my whole point. We are not forced to buy anything from China. But when there is no compulsory food labelling and while importers are always looking for the cheapest product so they can maximise their profit the average consumer has little choice. But if we all made enough noise and queried our shops then they may stop importing the stuff. I don't mind buying Chinese computers or clothes (they won't kill me) but I certainly do not want to eat Chinese chicken (bird flu, filth) or Chinese meat (filthy conditions). And in ten years time if the Chinese have got a better reputation I MAY change my mind. They have got along way to go to win peoples hearts and minds. Besides we grow all the food they do, so why do we need theirs ? Arn't we trying to sell food to them ? (Free Trade Agreement ?) regards Digby	Digby (677)
567989	2007-07-18 07:06:00	World runs on money. NZ running costs are $$, if they cannot compete with others they will move to those countries. Who in the right mind would pay $5 for a can of beans. Nor would the shareholders. Ask the govt for better labelling but it won't stop well known NZ companies to come back to NZ. Surely one can buy fresh NZ beans, peas and fruits or even canned if one really wanted to.	Nomad (952)
567990	2007-07-18 10:23:00	... As an apologist for China you are making a poor show of it. When people get sick, and pets die, from imported food then its EVERYONES concern to get it right. Correction: I am not an apologist for China, and there is nothing for China to apologise. China did nothing wrong. Do you or any of your friends get sick, die, or any of your pets die by eating imported food from China? If your answer is positive to any of the above, I suggest you report to the Police straight away! This is a very serious case, extremely serious! As I've said earlier, don't just listen to those reports or documentaries, but at the same time do your own research and make an effort to explore the other side of the story before making any conclusions. The American lead invasion of Iraq is a good and typical example of the lies that the American and British Govts told the world. How many innocent Iraqis died (directly or indirectly) because of this ugly war? There are about 3000+ US soldiers died but what is this number compared to the number of Iraqis killed? Why there are so little or no reports by the western media on this issue? Iraqis are humans too. How do you justify the human rights issue in this case? Iraqis have every rights to live in their own land, the way they like it! Most of the western medias only report what they wanted to report rather than the true stories.	bk T (215)
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