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Thread ID: 80961	2007-07-11 00:15:00	No more food from China please !	Digby (677)	PC World Chat

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567971	2007-07-17 02:09:00	To be a "little" fair to China, I think the Western medias (including NZ) are mainly reporting those negative incidences rather than a fair report of both the negative and positive stories. A friend of mine just visited China a month ago and showed me all those photos he took. I was shocked and don't belief that it's in China! It's so cleaned and well maintained, because all we see and hear in NZ are all those negative reports about China. Most of the places (including the toilets) are as clean as New Zealand if not, better! He even took a few pictures of those toilets! The cities are so modern and I have to say that we (NZ) are now far behind. Their Broadband Internet services (for instance) in the cities are definitely much better than what we are. There are two sides of each and every story. Let's have a more open mind when looking at others and don't wear coloured glasses. China is a huge country and they have 1.3 billion people to feed! The problems they have are just beyond our imagination while we are still in NZ. Even a small country like NZ, there are places like some parts of Ohahuhu! Still, no democracy and rampant corruption cannot be compensated for by clean toilets.	beeswax34 (63)
567972	2007-07-17 02:14:00	It could be if they grow the food in the toilets and pollute out in teh firelds.. But the lack of quality control and the horror stories of pollution in china makeme think twice about buying produce from there.	netchicken (4843)
567973	2007-07-17 02:22:00	Still, no democracy and rampant corruption cannot be compensated for by clean toilets. The westernised parts of china may have clean toilets where the tourist visit, but that would reflect most of china. I found china to be very dirty when I visited in the 90's	robbyp (2751)
567974	2007-07-17 02:59:00	That is not correct. Maybe in some of the newly redeveloped cities, but certainly not in the towns and villages which make up the majority of china. It is in the towns and cities that the food is grown, not in the newly developed cities We cannot just pick those villages to compare. Everybody (I hope so) agrees with you that most of the villages in China are terrible but so as villages in most other countries like India, etc, etc. Actually, India and China are quite similar in many aspects like area, population, etc. ..... Whatever it is, I'm convinced that most big cities in China are better than NZ cities in terms of infra structure and technologies.	bk T (215)
567975	2007-07-17 04:33:00	The westernised parts of china may have clean toilets where the tourist visit, but that would reflect most of china. I found china to be very dirty when I visited in the 90's You're right, and that's in the 90's	bk T (215)
567976	2007-07-17 04:51:00	Still, no democracy and rampant corruption cannot be compensated for by clean toilets. You're right, there's no democracy in China based on the Western set of values. However, we cannot apply blindly the Western model of democracy in China. It just won't work. Look at the mess in Taiwan, for example. How many Asians want to follow that model? The Western set of value and the Oriental set of value (especially the Chinese value) are just different. Mr Lee Kuan Yew (former Prime Minister of Singapore) should be able to give a much indepth view on this particular subject. It is extremely difficult for a non Chinese to understand China's history and culture (with 5000 years of civilization behind them). Probably they are the only ancient civilization that is still going strong!	bk T (215)
567977	2007-07-17 05:08:00	You're right, there's no democracy in China based on the Western set of values. However, we cannot apply blindly the Western model of democracy in China. It just won't work. Look at the mess in Taiwan, for example. How many Asians want to follow that model? The Western set of value and the Oriental set of value (especially the Chinese value) are just different. Mr Lee Kuan Yew (former Prime Minister of Singapore) should be able to give a much indepth view on this particular subject. It is extremely difficult for a non Chinese to understand China's history and culture (with 5000 years of civilization behind them). Probably they are the only ancient civilization that is still going strong! I give up. There are too many members here who have been brainwashed by the Chinese Government.	somebody (208)
567978	2007-07-17 05:10:00	We cannot just pick those villages to compare . Everybody (I hope so) agrees with you that most of the villages in China are terrible but so as villages in most other countries like India, etc, etc . Actually, India and China are quite similar in many aspects like area, population, etc . . . . . . Whatever it is, I'm convinced that most big cities in China are better than NZ cities in terms of infra structure and technologies . The 'Shop Window' of China which are some of the newly developed citis of china, which are the areas that the chinese government want you to see, probably look like any other major city in the world . However the majority of china is not in these areas, and infact the majority of people in china is very poor and can't afford to live in such areas . There was a documentary on the new china recently that highlighted this fact, and showed all the new shopping areas that were being built for tourists, but the majority of the chinese couldn't afford to shop in such areas . In NZ we don't have any of the real slummy areas like they do in china .	robbyp (2751)
567979	2007-07-17 05:32:00	The 'Shop Window' of China which are some of the newly developed citis of china, which are the areas that the chinese government want you to see, probably look like any other major city in the world. However the majority of china is not in these areas, and infact the majority of people in china is very poor and can't afford to live in such areas. There was a documentary on the new china recently that highlighted this fact, and showed all the new shopping areas that were being built for tourists, but the majority of the chinese couldn't afford to shop in such areas. In NZ we don't have any of the real slummy areas like they do in china. Don't compare NZ with China. They are not in the same category. As I've mentioned earlier, most (if not all) of the documentaries available in the West (incl NZ) are not giving a fair view of what it is in China, of course with a motive. They are very, very misleading (intentionally, of course), indeed. No body (including the Chinese Government) is saying that China is NOT a poor country. China is poor and backward, no question about it. But, we have to face the fact that they are progressing and developing very rapidly in the last 20 years. Just pick any medium to large cities in China and compare it with any of the larger cities in India (for example). The reason I pick India to compare is that these 2 countries are quite similar in many ways: India got its independence in 1947 and the Chinese communist gained power in 1949, both have a huge population with many different ethnic languages groups and were extremely poor at that time. Now, look at India, which city in India can compare with Beijing or Shanghai? I'm pretty sure that the villages in India are as bad as those in China. Compare their infra-structure like power & water supply systems, transport systems, telecommunications systems, etc. which country do you think is better, India or China?	bk T (215)
567980	2007-07-17 10:39:00	I give up. There are too many members here who have been brainwashed by the Chinese Government. It is incorrect to say that we (or I, I speak for myself) have been 'brainwashed". Let's have a cool and broad mind to look at the world. Don't just listen to one side of the story. Have an open mind to explore the other side of the story as well. You will find that life is much more interesting and colourfull.:)	bk T (215)
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