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Thread ID: 81188	2007-07-19 15:32:00	"Fed-Ware" A Sacred Secret To Security Companies?	SurferJoe46 (51)	PC World Chat

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570383	2007-07-19 15:32:00	Seems to be biting the tail of their own dog, but here's a new twist on the spyware game . We know our phones are listening for catchwords and certain phrases and it's or-so-easy to monitor our online activities too . . . The (US) Feds (and other international/national "security" mavens) are vested heavily into the spyware business it seems . . . and the question to ask yourself is: "Why not?" It makes sense . Insurrections start in the homeland anyway . . . right? Now, that's not too bad in the world as it exists today . . . but what about in the trenches here with the peons? When you complain vociferously about something that really incites you, are you being sniffed as a possible terrorist? Do "those" buzzwords of interest and usage by such people crop into your posts? Rampant spying is possible even if you only have a couple of flags on your name/IP address because you use words like "booomb" or "exxxplosive" or such in your e-mails and postings . (Purposely scrambled to keep the sniffers off my back) . If you use words like those, and use them often enough, you get a flag that says "Watch this person/site for more incriminating evidence . . . " type surveillance . Anyway . . here's the response of one company . . . one of my not-so-favs, when asked of their involvement: "Check Point, which makes the popular ZoneAlarm utility, said it would offer federal police the "same courtesy" that it extends to legitimate third-party vendors that request to be whitelisted . " So . . . . makes one wonder who-what IS whitelisted in our security . . huh? And another: "the last high-profile case in which federal agents turned to a key logger, some security companies allegedly volunteered to ignore fedware . The Associated Press reported in 2001 that "McAfee Corp . contacted the FBI . . . to ensure its software wouldn't inadvertently detect the bureau's snooping software . " Another: "the FBI confirmed that it was creating spy software called "Magic Lantern" that would allow agents to inject keystroke loggers remotely through a virus without having physical access to the computer . (In both the recent Ecstasy case and the earlier key logging case involving an alleged mobster, federal agents obtained court orders authorizing them to break into buildings to install key loggers . )" Another?: ""Microsoft frequently has confidential conversations with both customers and government agencies and does not comment on those conversations," a company representative said . Of the 13 companies surveyed, McAfee was the other company that declined to answer . (Two others could not be reached as of Tuesday morning . )" Here's the link: . zdnet . com/clicks?t=39287640-e629dafc051e6228fe316054b92e0eb9-bf&brand=ZDNET&s=5" target="_blank">ct . zdnet . com	SurferJoe46 (51)
570384	2007-07-19 20:29:00	A sad indictment on society today ... :(	johcar (6283)
570385	2007-07-19 21:43:00	An impressive waste of money and time if they don't use the information fast enough . The FBI were already "interested" in several of the 9/11 terrorists . Even Hoover was so preoccupied with collecting files on celebrities he didn't have time to deal with organised crime .	PaulD (232)
570386	2007-07-20 00:00:00	And the irony is that people offended by this generally don't have anything on their computers worth hiding from the security/ law enforcement agencies, while those with something to hide will already know about them and either take measures to ensure they are not detected or use software to protect themselves...	Sick Puppy (6959)
570387	2007-07-20 00:13:00	okaaaaaaay. I'm going back to MS-DOS... Can't spy on me if you can't run anything on my operating system! HA HA!	Agent_24 (57)
570388	2007-07-20 11:13:00	okaaaaaaay. I'm going back to MS-DOS... Can't spy on me if you can't run anything on my operating system! HA HA! Lol. Lovely I'm quite interested in internet anonymity, I do think it's important to know flaws and risks in using the internet for free speech and general communication. It's not that I have anything to hide, but morally... Do I want people with 'authority' to snoop my communication? However I dont really stress too much about txt messages being archived, bank details, library records, eftpos transactions etc etc Would truly be incredible to see what information authorities can haul up about each individual	jermsie (6820)
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