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| Thread ID: 81607 | 2007-08-01 21:19:00 | BioFuel Warnings | pctek (84) | PC World Chat |
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| 575143 | 2007-08-03 20:25:00 | [QUOTE=Terry Porritt;577710]It is all very puzzling indeed. Those from the UK of a certain age who were around and drove in the 50s and 60s will remember Cleveland Discol. This had 10% ethanol (or ethyl alcohol), and came in two flavours, Premium grade and Super grade. The Super was 100 octane, and boy, did it perform well in a souped up Lightning-ised Black Shadow. The name 'Discol' came from Distillers Company Limited Best results were obtained from fitting bigger main jets in the Amal carbs, I ran 9:1 compression ratio and #400 main jets. The point is that this fuel was used by all and sundry, in all types of cars, many still pre-war as well as new ones. There were never any problems reported with fuel lines or seals etc, so what has happened since? Materials are supposed to be so much better these days, or are they? It was discontinued sometime during the 1960s. Cleveland was a division of Esso. www.imagef1.net.nz Probably discontinued due to substitute being more expensive than what it was trying to replace. I have read somewhere that that applies today. |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 575144 | 2007-08-04 11:30:00 | My theory is just put in your car and see what happens. The carb is history now, replaced by fuel injection like PI Triumphs. If the seals on the injection pump go to Pick A Part and get another one and go back to normal gas. If it roots the fuel line from the tank and the return line change the hose. Its not rocket science. Fuels leaks arent much to worry about. In the old days the needle valve in the carb would stick and petrol would piss every where no biggy if it caught fire you put it out with your hands or tee shirt. tedheath |
tedheath (537) | ||
| 575145 | 2007-08-04 17:17:00 | My theory is just put in your car and see what happens . The carb is history now, replaced by fuel injection like PI Triumphs . If the seals on the injection pump go to Pick A Part and get another one and go back to normal gas . If it roots the fuel line from the tank and the return line change the hose . Its not rocket science . Fuels leaks arent much to worry about . In the old days the needle valve in the carb would stick and petrol would piss every where no biggy if it caught fire you put it out with your hands or tee shirt . tedheath WHOA Dude! Icarus had a good theory too! The fuel lines of injected vehicles are not just common lines . They have to be very good quality and capable of some severe pressures or you get to do a Buddhist monk imitation . READ: The lines and pumps and filters are SPECIAL! Now, say that 20 times . The old carb-days saw pressures of about 6-8 lbs fuel pressure . . but the new FI systems can have values over 200 lbs at crank, and drop to lower values at run . Not all . . but SOME do! Many run at about 40 lbs though . Splices and section repairs can only be done with approved and technically correct tools and materials . The very fact that the fuel pump is IN THE TANK for the sake of fire prevention is an important thing to think about . If the pump leaks (most do, in fact) inside the tank, at least the fuel loss is self contained and not spraying all over hot things like catalytic converters, exhaust systems and pedestrians who were smoking at the time you ran over them . Do I detect that you are in the US? Seems to me that Pick-A-Part is only a US company . . I might be wrong . . and if you decide to repair your fuel system with inferior and unapproved lines . pumps and filters etc, then you will be in violation of Torte laws and you may well find yourself uninsured in the case of a fire of accident . :blush: Either way . . . do what you want . . the newspapers are needing more dumb people doing dumb acts to report . Be sure to take some "Before the fire" pictures now for the article so they can print it next to the "After" pix . And . . if you think to put a fire out with your hands or a tee shirt while the fuel is spraying all over the place you need serious intervention on a mechanical aptitude and psychological level . See ya in the funny papers . |
SurferJoe46 (51) | ||
| 575146 | 2007-08-04 17:34:00 | Ok, i got a question, Ive seen these electric cars that run of battery cells, but i notice the majority arent very powerful and drive slow. Why is this? And if they managed to hone in and develope it to where car power is today, would it be a good alternative to normal fuel? | rob_on_guitar (4196) | ||
| 575147 | 2007-08-04 18:22:00 | Ok, i got a question, Ive seen these electric cars that run of battery cells, but i notice the majority arent very powerful and drive slow . Why is this? And if they managed to hone in and develope it to where car power is today, would it be a good alternative to normal fuel? The problem is the batteries . They are not a good place to store electricity at all . Liberation of the reactive gasses, heat, losses of plate surface from constant impregnation/impingement and liberation of electrons etc all take a toll . Electric motors make the most torque just at the moment of initial motion where the power drops off rapidly from that point on . Induction loads the commutator, windings, dielectric strength and the fields and results in reactive heat generation . Remember that heat is just a different form of energy and it came from where? . . . That's right, it came from the source of the electricity! That is a loss of useful motive energy to move the vehicle . Next problem is the wiring . . it is rife with connections and changes of material and that too causes induced losses of electron flow . Low voltage/high power induction problems occur in a DC circuit . . . but that may be addressed by digital modes of energy transmission in the future . You still face certain losses from the conversion to digital from DC though . . and more heat . Then there's the recharge problem . Either self-regeneration during braking or downhills helps a lot, but you can't go downhill all the time . Electricity off the power grid costs energy generation from somewhere . . . the coal-fired or nuclear station that the greenshirts want to close so you can drive an eco-friendly electric car just doesn't make any sense at all . Where is that electricity gonna come from if not from there? The batteries that you'd have to carry cost energy to move them too . Experiment with yourself . Put large rocks in your pockets and knapsack . . then try to run down the street . Now . . HYBRIDS offer some succor . But this was about electric cars . . right? |
SurferJoe46 (51) | ||
| 575148 | 2007-08-04 18:52:00 | Yea. I seen a milk truck go 120km (I think there is a clip on you tube, a guy tries to break some sort of record) but it only lasted about 20 seconds. hybrids I think have been pretty ok, i heard big motor companies have been buying invented motors that are non fossil fueled and keeping them away from public. Would be nice to see those motors if there is truth to the rumor. | rob_on_guitar (4196) | ||
| 575149 | 2007-08-04 19:34:00 | Yea. I seen a milk truck go 120km (I think there is a clip on you tube, a guy tries to break some sort of record) but it only lasted about 20 seconds. hybrids I think have been pretty ok, i heard big motor companies have been buying invented motors that are non fossil fueled and keeping them away from public. Would be nice to see those motors if there is truth to the rumor. Those "hidden" research breakthroughs are prolly rubbish. In the years since the "Gasoline from water" pill, don't you think it would have gotten some airtime by now instead of just rumors and insinuations? If someone had invented something so earth shaking, I am sure someone besides Bill Gates would be in the cat bird's seat by now. BULLETIN! Daimler/Benz just dumped Chrysler Motors and left them to founder all by themselves again. Hopefully this will be the coup de grâce for MOPAR this time. They certainly don't deserve more US taxpayer's money to keep their junk afloat again. |
SurferJoe46 (51) | ||
| 575150 | 2007-08-04 19:57:00 | They had a guy on the news a while back here that could run his motor bike on water, but im not sure whether it was just water or a hybrid motor, ill see if i can find it on the news site. Found it: www.techeblog.com |
rob_on_guitar (4196) | ||
| 575151 | 2007-08-04 20:15:00 | Those "hidden" research breakthroughs are probably rubbish . In the years since the "Gasoline from water" pill, don't you think it would have gotten some air time by now instead of just rumours and insinuations? If someone had invented something so earth shaking, I am sure someone besides Bill Gates would be in the cat bird's seat by now . BULLETIN! Daimler/Benz just dumped Chrysler Motors and left them to founder all by themselves again . Hopefully this will be the coup de grâce for MOPAR this time . They certainly don't deserve more US taxpayer's money to keep their junk afloat again . My sentiments entirely,the conspiracy lads are up the shoot as usual . |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 575152 | 2007-08-04 21:13:00 | The ramifications of government interference,so much loved by out our pinky friends. news.bbc.co.uk |
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