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Thread ID: 81545	2007-07-31 00:19:00	60 minutes	SolMiester (139)	PC World Chat

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574405	2007-07-31 00:19:00	Saw it off and on last last, the bit that interested me was at the end when advising the contents of next weeks show. The bit about the convicted murderer with the terminal illness. They didnt say anything about priority in regards to queue jumping, however, this operation will probably cost the tax payer several thousand dollars. I am slightly confused, if they did say terminal, whats the point of the operation? On a different note, i dont think prison is a strong enough deterent these days for crimes, they weigh up 1st the change of getting caught, the possibly of getting off, and lastly, oh well, its only a holiday for a couple of years. What if, we just say, too bad mate, you disregarded the laws and respect of our society, so now you forfeit the benefits of our society along with your internment. Am I just a nasty unrealistic idealist or do we need to seriously re-consider what prison is and how it should deter crime? Thoughts?	SolMiester (139)
574406	2007-07-31 00:58:00	Many criminals aren't too bright. They commit crimes thinking they'll get away with it and at the petty level (burglary, receiving etc) often do. Some are driven by drug addiction, alcohol, others the company they keep. If your mates are doing crime, it is easy to get drawn into it, particularly when they seem to get away with it. There are some people for whom dishonesty is a thrill and their normal way of thinking. Today we have a socially instilled envy against anyone who appears to have a better lifestyle. Instead of trying to better yourself, it is easier to be bitter and rip others off. While I believe in social democracy I cannot help but think such attitudes derive from Nanny State - your personal situation is always someone else's responsibility...... To reduce crime we firstly need the concept of respect for other people and property to be a part of every persons character. Not such a big ask, it used to be that way 50 years ago. Crimes still occurred but less often and not so randomly as today.	Winston001 (3612)
574407	2007-07-31 01:07:00	Family not state. I wouldn't find it easier to steal other peoples stuff, I couldn't force myself to steal if I tried, This is because my parents conditioned me not to steal. Work for your gear or go without.Lesson learned. Has nothing to do with whatever fluffy thinking was coming from the beehive at the time, Likewise if my boy at 3 years of age just happens to attach himself to something up that aint his we don't let it fly for a second. When I was a child I remeber being confused as all hell watching some kid run out of our section with my bike, Out to the car his parents were waiting in. Now I know what the story was...they were doing their christmas shopping. Wonder what sort of adult he grew up to be. People need to bring there kids up right, and forget about blaming government policies or pathetic weak fluff about land grabs. The problem and the solution is in the home and the community, People need to stop passing the blame and man the funk up to their crap.	Metla (12)
574408	2007-07-31 01:13:00	The problem is that there is not enough fear instilled in young people by their parents about the consequences of criminal behaviour . Fear of being caught and severly punished is what deters crime . Do-gooders go on about so-called "poverty" in this country and how this somehow accounts for crime - they have no grasp of what real poverty . The last time there was poverty in this country was in the 1930's during the Depression - and people then did not embark on rampages of crime . Being poor is no excuse for criminal behaviour .	cpg (8333)
574409	2007-07-31 01:23:00	I'm with melta on this one . Family is the answer . You need family around you that know the difference between right and wrong and to teach the children what is good and bad . If the family is bad and not teaching the children good morals then the children will be bad . Just my two cents worth .	lazydog (148)
574410	2007-07-31 01:26:00	Family not state . When I was a child I remeber being confused as all hell watching some kid run out of our section with my bike, Out to the car his parents were waiting in . Now I know what the story was . . . they were doing their christmas shopping . WOW, you are not joking are you?! . . . I guess nowadays their is generally, especially in generation Y, very little respect for anyone period . Without respect for others, nothing will work . I believe that is the key . However, we digress, is it just me who thinks this convicted murderer shouldn't get expensive surgery from the society he shunned .	SolMiester (139)
574411	2007-07-31 01:32:00	As for the original thread topic i think the double life murderer should get no treatment at all period. He's in there for two life terms. Since I'm in a good mood he can have paracetamol for pain relief. Just my two cents.	lazydog (148)
574412	2007-07-31 01:33:00	and the other small thing is the more petty crimes they get away with the easier it is to go up to the next level. they are way to PC on the small crimes. i think there was a US city that enforced a "zero tolerance" and there was a big drop in major crimes even tho they didn't actually arrest or police more on those types of crimes. simply the follow on effect of better policing of the minor crimes. also people are becoming even more professional in there crimes. even tho it may be minor there is a great deal of effort put into these activities and not just by the individual but by society. eg how to beat drink driving, knowing whats just barly legal even tho its illegal to everyone else, knowing what excuses actually work in certain situtions, how to set up a victim etc	tweak'e (69)
574413	2007-07-31 01:35:00	The bit about the convicted murderer with the terminal illness. They didnt say anything about priority in regards to queue jumping, however, this operation will probably cost the tax payer several thousand dollars. I am slightly confused, if they did say terminal, whats the point of the operation? yeah a little puzzled about that, whats the point of treatment of terminally ill? try and make them live a fraction longer? a bit pointless if they are locked up for life.	tweak'e (69)
574414	2007-07-31 03:01:00	WOW, you are not joking are you?! . . . I guess nowadays their is generally, especially in generation Y, very little respect for anyone period . Without respect for others, nothing will work . I believe that is the key . However, we digress, is it just me who thinks this convicted murderer shouldn't get expensive surgery from the society he shunned . I am against a convicted murderer getting expensive (or any) surgery paid for by we taxpayers . However, if he does, it should be with no anaesthetic and with used, unsterilised equipment . Or is that too harsh . . . :groan: :groan:	johcar (6283)
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