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Thread ID: 81485	2007-07-29 01:20:00	Auto gearbox problem	tut (12033)	PC World Chat

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573831	2007-07-29 01:20:00	Haven't had time to check this out fully yet but the story goes like this. Last weekend I changed the oil in my 95 Mitsubishi Galant EXE. I noticed the oil was a reddish colour instead of black but no warning bells rang. On a short test drive the Auto gearbox didnt engage like it should so checked the ATF level which was low. Purchased a litre of fluid and put it in.(Took the lot) Worked fine. Drove to where I work (80kms). Checked the engine oil level it was almost to the top of the filler hole. Checked ATF level and gearbox was empty. No leaks under the car and a brief consultation with a Transmission Specialist said there is no way the ATF can go into the engine sump. Will take the car to the specialist during the week but in the meantime can any one offer any explanation? I have a reasonable knowledge of car mechanics but not auto gearboxes. Thanks	tut (12033)
573832	2007-07-29 01:53:00	Try checking the oil level when the engine and gearbox are still warm.	vinref (6194)
573833	2007-07-29 02:26:00	I noticed the oil was a reddish colour instead of black. Clean engine oil isn't black, its only black when its filthy.	pctek (84)
573834	2007-07-29 03:18:00	There will be a shaft transmitting power between the engine and the gearbox unless technology has advanced a lot. There must be an oil seal stopping the oil transfer around that shaft. If the seal doesn't seal any more ... However the transmission loses all its oil, don't worry about different ways of measuring the level. The level doesn't matter when it's empty. SOMETHING IS SERIOUSLY, FATALLY, WRONG. Get it fixed. Don't drive it to get it fixed. It will be even more expensively wrong if you drive it with no oil.	Graham L (2)
573835	2007-07-29 04:47:00	Haven't had time to check this out fully yet but the story goes like this . Last weekend I changed the oil in my 95 Mitsubishi Galant EXE . I noticed the oil was a reddish colour instead of black but no warning bells rang . On a short test drive the Auto gearbox didnt engage like it should so checked the ATF level which was low . Purchased a litre of fluid and put it in . (Took the lot) Worked fine . Drove to where I work (80kms) . Checked the engine oil level it was almost to the top of the filler hole . Checked ATF level and gearbox was empty . No leaks under the car and a brief consultation with a Transmission Specialist said there is no way the ATF can go into the engine sump . Will take the car to the specialist during the week but in the meantime can any one offer any explanation? I have a reasonable knowledge of car mechanics but not auto gearboxes . Thanks i can't make much sence of your post . you changed the oil . which oil? engine or auto gearbox? red oil instead of black? sounds like your getting engine oil mixed up with auto transmission fluid . you checked engine oil but it was to the top of the filler hole ?? if that was the case the engine would have hydralcic and spat pistons and oil all over the road . i think your mistaking engine and auto fluids and the locations to read the fluid and where to fill them up . sounds like your better to take it to a mechanic or a least provide a bit more detail on what you have done .	tweak'e (69)
573836	2007-07-29 05:34:00	When i am talking about changing the OIL in a vehicle it generally means engine oil. Gear boxes (Auto) use ATF (Automatic Transmission Fluid) which is normally red. There is no way I can confuse the fluid levels of the gearbox and engine and like wise it is not possible really to put the oil or ATF in the wrong hole or mis read the dipstick markings. However it does point to finger trouble on my part some where which will be the first thing I will check for. I was hoping some one would point out any stupid mistakes I could have made possible helped by some thing done to the vehicle before I purchased it. I havent had it long. It is one of four vehicles I have. I did reently replace the cam belt, waterpump and alternator and A/C belt plus replace the head gasket which had been done wrongly by some one earlier. The ignition timing was also incorrectly set (Retarded) resulting in poor performance and inconsistant gear changing. When working it works just fine. Thanks for the replies. Some where there is an answer hgopefully as I said, by finger trouble.	tut (12033)
573837	2007-07-29 06:03:00	There is no way I can confuse the fluid levels of the gearbox and engine and like wise it is not possible really to put the oil or ATF in the wrong hole or mis read the dipstick markings. WRONG. Not all but some modern mercs use dipstick tubes to fill both the engine and the trans. Located closely together. No oil cap on tappet cover and no dipsticks in tubes. Yes dipsticks are now dealer/trade only tools for some car manufactures. Not saying this is the case for the mitsi, but you can't use such a blanket statement. I have also heard of people doing oil changes in cars and they have undone the trans sump plug instead of the engine sump plug. Then proceeded to top there motor up with an extra 3.5 L of oil equalling 7L. then proceeded to drive without seeing the smokescreen billowing from behind them. Then my mate has shown me the damage to the trans :D $$$$$$$ But I could be wrong:rolleyes:	plod (107)
573838	2007-07-29 06:21:00	Sounds like you dropped the ATF out and then overfilled the engine . It happens . . and some vehicles don't have an easy access to the transmission for just this very reason . . too many do-it-yourselfer's goof things up, too many times . So the manufacturers make it harder to work on it yourself . OK . . If you drain the engine oil to the correct level (NO . . it did NOT blow the seals out!) and then fill the transmission to a pretty correct level, most likely everything's gonna be OK .	SurferJoe46 (51)
573839	2007-07-29 06:24:00	BTW: gearbox = manual transmission Automatic transmissions are just "transmissions" in correct mechanic-lingo. Kids say "trannies" or "trans" but they are young and they'll learn cool later.	SurferJoe46 (51)
573840	2007-07-29 06:28:00	BTW: gearbox = manual transmission Automatic transmissions are just "transmissions" in correct mechanic-lingo. Kids say "trannies" or "trans" but they are young and they'll learn cool later. trannies or trans here in the land of nz usually means man passing himself off as a woman. Not very nice if you manage to pick one up by mistake, not to bad if that was what you were aiming for:o	plod (107)
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