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Thread ID: 81722	2007-08-05 02:16:00	Stating the obvious...	johcar (6283)	PC World Chat

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576751	2007-08-06 11:09:00	www.socialreport.msd.govt.nz Maori children are more likely than non-Maori children to be assessed as abused or neglected. In 2003, the rate per 1,000 was 11.9 for Maori and 5.9 for non-Maori. While the corresponding rates are not available for Pacific children, they are not over-represented among children assessed as abused, accounting for 11 percent of such children in 2003, about the same representation as they have in the child population.	Metla (12)
576752	2007-08-06 11:12:00	New information from the Child Youth and Family Service, released to Dr Newman, shows in the year to March 2005, 1861 Maori children were the victims of emotional abuse compared with 900 in March 2000. The number of European children suffering emotional abuse jumped from 980 cases in March 2000, to 1485 in March 2005. Physical abuse cases involving Maori children jumped from 851 in March 2000 to 1005 in March 2005. Neglect cases involving Maori children rose from 1337 in March 2000 to 1910 in March 2005, while the number of neglect cases involving European children rose from 1158 to 1375 in the same period. “These numbers show that in spite of spending billions of dollars, Labour has clearly failed to close the gaps,” Dr Newman said. “Instead of closing the gaps these figures show the gaps are widening.”	Metla (12)
576753	2007-08-06 11:45:00	www.socialreport.msd.govt.nz Maori children are more likely than non-Maori children to be assessed as abused or neglected. In 2003, the rate per 1,000 was 11.9 for Maori and 5.9 for non-Maori. While the corresponding rates are not available for Pacific children, they are not over-represented among children assessed as abused, accounting for 11 percent of such children in 2003, about the same representation as they have in the child population. I'm sorry, but I think I need to agree wholeheartedly with Metla regarding his opinion on this matter. The statistic results linked by Metla fully supports my initial opinion shown in my first post of this thread. You cannot reject true, genuine facts just because they are hard to grasp or protected by the racial card barrier.	qazwsxokmijn (102)
576754	2007-08-06 12:20:00	Of course a lot of Maori being in the lower socio-economic group created by the mis-management of the economy over the last twenty years by right wing zealots inspired by American think tanks has nothing to do with the problem. Breakdown of the community and generalized alienation of individuals caused by the unrelenting pursuit of the almighty dollar probably isn't to blame either.	zqwerty (97)
576755	2007-08-06 13:48:00	Of course a lot of Maori being in the lower socio-economic group created by the mis-management of the economy over the last twenty years by right wing zealots inspired by American think tanks has nothing to do with the problem. And it's a great idea for the same right-wingers to exploit peoples' anger when things don't work out quite as expected (the point, I think, of Muriels' diatribe) Doesn't anyone want to be pi**ed at that, too? For what it's worth I find her arguments pretty tenuous and her figures even more so Still, if you can't blame the less privileged (and their 'puppet' government) for everything then who can you blame?	luvdoctor (11855)
576756	2007-08-06 14:53:00	While I still can't understand why poeple do it anyway, stats won't change until something is done. What can actually be done?	rob_on_guitar (4196)
576757	2007-08-06 16:39:00	as a total outsider here, I see certain same-scene things going on that happened in the US in the 40's and 50's . Let me see if this c/p's . . . Table, Ethnic affiliation of elderly people by age group, 2001 Census . Only 3 . 9 percent of New Zealand’s older population are Māori compared with 15 . 1 percent of the total population . Several factors contribute to this, including a shorter life expectancy for Māori people and a higher birth rate, which results in a younger Māori population . The birth rate will drop as the gravid adults decrease and coitive activities normally diminish . The young children will grow to reproductive age, but as the diminishing birthrate slide indicates, there will be a substantial actuarial loss of numbers of newborn children from this time on . Next: EUROPEANS = 96% of population MÂORI = 3 . 9% of population PACIFIC ISLANDERS = 1 . 5% of population ASIAN = 1 . 3% of population OTHER = 0 . 1% of population If life expectancy continues to improve for Māori and their expected birth rate drops, by 2051 it is projected that Māori people will make up 11 . 3 percent of our older population (around eight times as many older Māori as in 1996) and will then be 13 percent of the total NZ population . Sooooo . . as I see it, either the birth rate drops so low that child abuse decreases with loss of sheer numbers of children to exploit, or the children that survive young age will need to do so in the hands and care of older, more stable grandparents, holding to the normal tables of birth rates that project that they will diminish . Older, more grounded parenting units will actually make life a lot safer for the children . The reportable numbers of child abuse statistics will by natural cause and decreased birthrates, no longer be fuel for the reporters . Any ONE case of abuse, even rumored, if shown to be out of range or happenstance, will then be known as estate abuse by the "press" . Reporting of abuse among the indigenous peoples on NZ will then be seen as pure yellow journalism and exploitive in itself, as the then numerical occurrences don't hold to the normal deviations in other races/cultures . What does all this mean? Reports MAY be overblown by the highly-European press as a means of exploiting: 1) the snob appeal for those who think they are culturally superior to the Mâori and they NEED a little poke in the eye once in a while just to let time know their place . . . . 2) too many right wing do-gooders, have the ear of the press who have axes to grind and heads to lop as a punitive tool to attempt a junta against Euro-whites portrayed as taking lands and destroying cultures of indigenous peoples . Reports MAY NOT be overblown if: 1) there really is a sickness and perversion amongst the Mâori people because of their culture; BECAUSE . . . they are squeezed into an abysmal niche of racial non-equality; they are perceived as dirt and should act like dirt, can't get a job in white-supremest workplaces or they actually like to mistreat their children . 2) it's Mâori backlash and a self-ablative cry for help against the white supremacists who deride their ethnicity by constantly salting old wounds and scars keeping the fires burning for "personal reasons" of racial hatred/bigotry/denial and olde world desires of regal colonization . . Or . . I might be all wrong here .	SurferJoe46 (51)
576758	2007-08-06 17:15:00	Personally I think the racial aspect is taking the piss . Every man is responsible for his own actions . If say the Maori number (stat wise) for abuse come down, are they going to target the next biggest group or would they say, well the Maori's are behaving we can stop now . Also was is the standard for emotional abuse? That one is a bit blurry to me .	rob_on_guitar (4196)
576759	2007-08-06 19:16:00	I couldn't find the stats, I looked for them after your earlier post. They should be made public knowledge. The only thing I could find was this (www.savethechildren.net). Was from 2003, but doesn't state categorised figures (i.e ethnicity)	Myth (110)
576760	2007-08-07 00:14:00	what rubbish, Section 57 was never a defense for abuse or murder...even if some desperate fools tried their luck with it. Should we remove the argument of self-defense because in the past people have tried to use it as a reason for murder? Sorry, my mistake it was, in fact, section 59 that was repealed by Sue Bradford's bill and it had nothing to do with "self defence" as you seem to claim, it was a legal defence of use of reasonable force to discipline children. Also "even if some desperate fools tried their luck with it." Well they did. Mother acquitted of riding crop assault. www.nzherald.co.nz lack of discipline is one of the reasons crap is now so far out of control. Some people, kids included need a kick up the backside to be shown the error of their ways. This attitude is part of the problem, not the solution. There is no evidence that corporal punishment has led to anything other than to sustain the cycle of violence. There is also no evidence that the removal of corporal punishment has led to a breakdown in discipline. I challenge you to find anything that supports your point of view other than some other "point of view" I guess severe punches to the head in your eyes are reasonable force....:groan: Quite the opposite. In fact I was a supporter of Bradford's bill. May I respectfully suggest both you and Metla have the decency to read and, at least try, to understand my posts before you make these assumptions and accusations.	JackStraw (6573)
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