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| Thread ID: 81722 | 2007-08-05 02:16:00 | Stating the obvious... | johcar (6283) | PC World Chat |
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| 576741 | 2007-08-06 08:41:00 | Don't know. But I know that the media wouldn't want to risk being accused of racism. So it may well be cold hard fact.The media don't care about anything other than ratings. If they did, they would never need to apologise, or go to court to defend libel suits. Its all about the ratings. Look at that bs over Mercury ... pure media hype | Myth (110) | ||
| 576742 | 2007-08-06 08:51:00 | uh...Who gives a **** about the media?, they didn't mess with the kids. Too many people trying to cloud the issue. |
Metla (12) | ||
| 576743 | 2007-08-06 09:12:00 | uh...Who gives a **** about the media?, they didn't mess with the kids. Too many people trying to cloud the issue.True, there is no excuse for messing with the kids. But the original poster quoted a source that led this thread down the path of its an only Maori problem. All I am saying is that the media is portraying that its a Maori only issue. Where the hell are the facts that dictate this as being correct, and not just a ****load of hype (like they do with selected other stories). |
Myth (110) | ||
| 576744 | 2007-08-06 09:42:00 | Whats being reported is the disproportionate amount of Maori representation in the statistics. That representation is an issue that should be focused on, To ensure the behavior is changed. Yelling hype at the media (is it suggested they don't report cases unless Maori are involved?) is a smokescreen that can only serve to remove focus from the issue. |
Metla (12) | ||
| 576745 | 2007-08-06 09:46:00 | Hmmm - I have been scouring the websites of the Ministry of Justice, Health and Statistics and it appears these aren't statistics we are proud of, or willing to publish, because I can't find any hard facts anywhere on child abuse. In any case, I suspect the actual number of cases would exceed the reported cases much like the number of actual crimes is significantly higher than the number of reported crimes. It makes me laugh when I hear "reported crimes are down..." - it's a joke! Child abuse is not a racial problem - it's a problem for all New Zealand. I suspect the media are selective over what is published. If there is a perceived issue of child abuse with one sector of the New Zealand population, is it the Kiwi way to point fingers and play the blame game, or get in there and help? The issue is not the child abuse - that is an unfortunate symptom of other issues that need to be resolved. Just my opinion..... Andrew P.S. Don't get me wrong - any animals caught treating children the way those people did deserve the full weight of the law...... |
andrew93 (249) | ||
| 576746 | 2007-08-06 10:23:00 | Hmmm - I have been scouring the websites of the Ministry of Justice, Health and Statistics and it appears these aren't statistics we are proud of, or willing to publish, because I can't find any hard facts anywhere on child abuse. In any case, I suspect the actual number of cases would exceed the reported cases much like the number of actual crimes is significantly higher than the number of reported crimes. It makes me laugh when I hear "reported crimes are down..." - it's a joke! Child abuse is not a racial problem - it's a problem for all New Zealand. I suspect the media are selective over what is published. If there is a perceived issue of child abuse with one sector of the New Zealand population, is it the Kiwi way to point fingers and play the blame game, or get in there and help? The issue is not the child abuse - that is an unfortunate symptom of other issues that need to be resolved. Just my opinion..... Andrew P.S. Don't get me wrong - any animals caught treating children the way those people did deserve the full weight of the law......And that was all I was trying to say. I'm not into smokescreens, thats a ploy for the deceitful. Child abuse itself is bull**** and should never happen. It is a game for the weak minded, the so-called strong who rely on others to wipe their asses. It is a symptom of the decline of todays family, todays society. |
Myth (110) | ||
| 576747 | 2007-08-06 10:32:00 | So when Maori rates of diabetes is disproportionate to everyone else its a good thing to target those identified at risk, even though the identification is race? But when the rates of child abuse amongst Maori are disproportionate then the race issue is taboo? I say tough freakin sh1t to anyone who rejects facts just because they are hard, If it sends ripples though the desired channels then it may get to a place where it can do some good, and thats with not a seconds thought to people who get offended by who gets targeted. The issue is far bigger then someone getting upset because of whom the finger gets pointed at. Uh, This isn't directed at any particular person, Just my thoughts on the matter. |
Metla (12) | ||
| 576748 | 2007-08-06 10:49:00 | So when Maori rates of diabetes is disproportionate to everyone else its a good thing to target those identified at risk, even though the identification is race?Correct. There are published facts that support this But when the rates of child abuse amongst Maori are disproportionate then the race issue is taboo? I say tough freakin sh1t to anyone who rejects facts just because they are hard, If it sends ripples though the desired channels then it may get to a place where it can do some good, and thats with not a seconds thought to people who get offended by who gets targeted. The issue is far bigger then someone getting upset because of whom the finger gets pointed at.If there are published facts that support the fact that child abuse is indeed rife amongst Maori, then they should be targeted as a problem group and something should be done to remedy the problem. I just find it funny how we only ever hear of Maori children getting abused on the news. Uh, This isn't directed at any particular person, Just my thoughts on the matter.I realise this, and as such I am only stating my thoughts on the matter |
Myth (110) | ||
| 576749 | 2007-08-06 10:57:00 | I couldn't find the stats, I looked for them after your earlier post. They should be made public knowledge. Anyhow, Whatever "geezer in the know" was on the radio the other day claimed that in 1984 the rate of (reported) child abuse among Maori was where it was to be expected, Proportionate to the population, since that time the rate among the same group has doubled. They put forward the question...whats happened in NZ since 1984? (The person on the radio was an official of some sort, Not a random idiot....) |
Metla (12) | ||
| 576750 | 2007-08-06 11:09:00 | So. I guess you guys are happy about the repealing of section 57 of the crimes act that allowed "reasonable force" in punishing children as a defence? Oh, that's right, most of you were against the "Anti Smacking" bill. flip flop flip flop. I guess severe punches to the head in your eyes are reasonable force....:groan: |
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