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Thread ID: 81719	2007-08-05 00:49:00	Is Vista Really Worth It All?	SurferJoe46 (51)	PC World Chat

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576615	2007-08-07 06:49:00	The trouble is, vista's worth is, for all intents and purposes, is irrelevant. Windows is the default setting. It's all very well not to upgrade the software but sooner or later, in order to replace the hardware, you'll have to get the software. I know that there is Mac out there. And those of us on Linux, but by the time we become a force Vista will be long buried. Unfortunately, I agree with you 100% joemac. It's all about marketing and to try to keep Microsoft on top. But not to disparage Microsoft because that it the way we in the West have come to value things. I remember reading "Consumer Magazine" quite a few years ago when they reviewed video players/recorders and identified about the cheapest as the best value. The reasoning was that from their feedback the great majority of us would only use a very few of the features. We would get carried away with what we thought we could do and the salespersons talk.... but in the end, we would not have time or inclination to learn all or even a small part of the features. I think that the answers already given have shown this again. You (not, me !) are, by and large, a group of talented, sophisticated users, and you do not identify the need for Vista, except or the gamers amongst us (which is okay). But what about the guy next door who goes to the Dick Smith, Harvey Norman, etc, etc, and wants to do some email and surf the web. That person ends up with Vista, something which far exceeds their needs. :groan: Misty :groan:	Misty (368)
576616	2007-08-07 06:59:00	Unfortunately, I agree with you 100% joemac . It's all about marketing and to try to keep Microsoft on top . But not to disparage Microsoft because that it the way we in the West have come to value things . I remember reading "Consumer Magazine" quite a few years ago when they reviewed video players/recorders and identified about the cheapest as the best value . The reasoning was that from their feedback the great majority of us would only use a very few of the features . We would get carried away with what we thought we could do and the salespersons talk . . . . but in the end, we would not have time or inclination to learn all or even a small part of the features . I think that the answers already given have shown this again . You (not, me !) are, by and large, a group of talented, sophisticated users, and you do not identify the need for Vista, except or the gamers amongst us (which is okay) . But what about the guy next door who goes to the Dick Smith, Harvey Norman, etc, etc, and wants to do some email and surf the web . That person ends up with Vista, something which far exceeds their needs . :groan: Misty :groan: THAT was my intention when I posted the query . What's the trade-off? Reliability? Speed? Flash? Prestige? Money? PR? Sophistication? Literacy? Lack of any/all the foregoing? :groan:	SurferJoe46 (51)
576617	2007-08-07 07:16:00	generally don't need or want multitasking. In scientific programming, you are almost always short of CPU power. You want to run one task, and give it all the CPU there is. Often the problem is to get the processing to beat real time. It's a problem when it takes even 25 hours to process 24 hours worth of data. :( It's a disaster when it takes a week. Having 3D flying icons to watch while you are waiting isn't any consolation. You might want to check out the Big Mac setup at Virginia Tech Engineering dept. 10.0 Teraflops 0f grid computing when originally installed.	winmacguy (3367)
576618	2007-08-07 07:17:00	Why can't Microsoft write efficient, elegant code which doesn't suck away the advantage improved performance new hardware gives us? Microsoft's Vista is a bloated, resource hungry monster - a bit like an American motorvehicle. It's estimated that servers alone in the USA use 2% of all power consumption! Imagine what a few million high voltage Core 2 Duo processors having to work at 50% to adequately cope with Vista suck out of the grid each day? Microsoft must have shares in RAM manufacturing too. “The reason we come up with new versions is not to fix bugs. It's absolutely not. It's the stupidest reason to buy a new version I ever heard. When we do a new version we put in lots of new things that people are asking for. And so, in no sense, is stability a reason to move to a new version. It's never a reason.” Gates was explaining that people buy software to obtain perceived value, and that users commonly don't see value in paying for fixes to a product's outstanding flaws. People generally expect to gain significant new features. Of course, even there Apple has Gates beat: it has delivered three paid OS upgrades in the same period Microsoft has struggled just to deliver Vista."	winmacguy (3367)
576619	2007-08-07 08:48:00	generally don't need or want multitasking. In scientific programming, you are almost always short of CPU power. You want to run one task, and give it all the CPU there is. Often the problem is to get the processing to beat real time. It's a problem when it takes even 25 hours to process 24 hours worth of data. :( It's a disaster when it takes a week. Having 3D flying icons to watch while you are waiting isn't any consolation. Try grid computing.	winmacguy (3367)
576620	2007-08-07 08:52:00	Unfortunately, I agree with you 100% joemac . It's all about marketing and to try to keep Microsoft on top . But not to disparage Microsoft because that it the way we in the West have come to value things . Give people and companies more time to evaluate Vista and that they will find it is not all its cracked up to be when compared to Mac and Linux . It may take 1 year it may take 3 but it is starting to happen .	winmacguy (3367)
576621	2007-08-07 11:23:00	One of our clients replaced all their computers with new vista computers, and everybody regrets going with Vista instead of XP.	Greven (91)
576622	2007-08-07 18:45:00	Its funny how people don't have that problem with other platforms. ;)	winmacguy (3367)
576623	2007-08-07 18:57:00	Its funny how people don't have that problem with other platforms . ;) <smack smack> Hear that sound? <smack smack smack> That's the sound of my shoe hitting my head <smack smack> Jeff Spicoli I think that's about the funniest thing you've ever said . . . " . . . other platforms . . . . . " Yeah . . . . . . :lol:	SurferJoe46 (51)
576624	2007-08-07 19:22:00	Its funny how people don't have that problem with other platforms. ;) I have to say that is a pretty BOLD statement. Even as a mac user, I have wanted to throw the thing away on somedays.:badpc:	plod (107)
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