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Thread ID: 81664	2007-08-03 03:22:00	Bridge Disaster In US	SurferJoe46 (51)	PC World Chat

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576066	2007-08-04 20:21:00	Sorry if the FACTS rest uncomfortably with you Cic. :) If you and Marty reverse your conclusions,you will be spot on. I will do some research on helping you with this somewhat bad habit.	Cicero (40)
576067	2007-08-04 23:43:00	I hope the Americans attack Iran for a simple reason. Retribution. The Iranians arent forgiving people and will attack bridges and other infrastructure all over the USA. Then once and for all the USA will stop doing dumb things like killing people as in Vietnam and Iraq. The billions the waxheads have spent in Iraq they could of replaced aging bridges. USA must be like some 3rd world nation if it cant inspect bridges before they collapse. tedheath	tedheath (537)
576068	2007-08-05 00:10:00	I hope the Americans attack Iran for a simple reason . Retribution . The Iranians arent forgiving people and will attack bridges and other infrastructure all over the USA . Then once and for all the USA will stop doing dumb things like killing people as in Vietnam and Iraq . The billions the waxheads have spent in Iraq they could of replaced aging bridges . USA must be like some 3rd world nation if it cant inspect bridges before they collapse . tedheathWow . . . did you misplace your medications? I believe this: If the US pulls out of Iran/Iraq/Afghanistan, the hostilities are just gonna get really rolling . The suicide bombers and attacks will follow the military home to the US, and then on the the rest of the world as they will then believe they are invincible . The Islamics represent about 33% of the world's population . . . a formidable head count, minus the occasional suicide bomber . The world will blame the coalition forces (US/Briton) for the new danger in which it will find itself . The lid is off the box and it's not gonna get put back on for the future either . Everyone is going to be affected . No island country will be exempt either . The way I see the odds of anything resembling semi-peaceful conditions by the hand of man is 3:1 against . With 1/3rd of the world "kneejerk christians, with a small "c"; . . . . . . the next 1/3rd being Muslim . . . . . the last 1/3rd being pagan, Jewish or not deferring to a christian god (again, a small "c") . . . . . . . . . . . there is now and for the foreseeable future only death, murder, mayhem, war and bombings and peripheral damage to cities and buildings world-wide wrought by people who ascribe to a religion . . the bane of mankind . Now as to bridges . . maybe them too . . but I don't think it was THIS time . This was greed and money that went the wrong way . Looking for responsibility for the destruction of that bridge isn't going to become transparent . . . there are too many heads on the platter if they start pointing fingers . This isn't like New Orleans where they had a lackey (FEMA local chief Michael Brown: aka "Brownie", mayor Ray Nagin and a scattering of other low-caste flunkys) whom they could point a shaming finger at and blame them for the levees and the storm and the dome and the buses and the drowned cities and loss of income . It's all about the money and false gods .	SurferJoe46 (51)
576069	2007-08-05 00:21:00	I hope the Americans attack Iran for a simple reason. Retribution. The Iranians arent forgiving people and will attack bridges and other infrastructure all over the USA. Then once and for all the USA will stop doing dumb things like killing people as in Vietnam and Iraq. The billions the waxheads have spent in Iraq they could of replaced aging bridges. USA must be like some 3rd world nation if it cant inspect bridges before they collapse. tedheath Thank goodness for Ted and his clarity of thought. Lot of study and investigation has gone into this.:rolleyes:	Cicero (40)
576070	2007-08-05 01:28:00	Wow . . . did you misplace your medications? I believe this: If the US pulls out of Iran/Iraq/Afghanistan, the hostilities are just gonna get really rolling . The suicide bombers and attacks will follow the military home to the US, and then on the the rest of the world as they will then believe they are invincible . The Islamics represent about 33% of the world's population . . . a formidable head count, minus the occasional suicide bomber . The world will blame the coalition forces (US/Briton) for the new danger in which it will find itself . The lid is off the box and it's not gonna get put back on for the future either . Everyone is going to be affected . No island country will be exempt either . The way I see the odds of anything resembling semi-peaceful conditions by the hand of man is 3:1 against . With 1/3rd of the world "kneejerk christians, with a small "c"; . . . . . . the next 1/3rd being Muslim . . . . . the last 1/3rd being pagan, Jewish or not deferring to a christian god (again, a small "c") . . . . . . . . . . . there is now and for the foreseeable future only death, murder, mayhem, war and bombings and peripheral damage to cities and buildings world-wide wrought by people who ascribe to a religion . . the bane of mankind . Now as to bridges . . maybe them too . . but I don't think it was THIS time . This was greed and money that went the wrong way . Looking for responsibility for the destruction of that bridge isn't going to become transparent . . . there are too many heads on the platter if they start pointing fingers . This isn't like New Orleans where they had a lackey (FEMA local chief Michael Brown: aka "Brownie", mayor Ray Nagin and a scattering of other low-caste flunkys) whom they could point a shaming finger at and blame them for the levees and the storm and the dome and the buses and the drowned cities and loss of income . It's all about the money and false gods . Sorry Cicero - have to agree with Joe here . At least with the Americans in the Middle East (regardless of the justification used for them being there), keeps the extremists relatively bottled up and locally (for them) focussed - apart from the recent UK incidents . . . I shudder to think what will happen when the Iraqis/Iranians are left to their own devices, with no 'civilised' influence left there . . . First there will be all-out civil war (you ain't seen nuthin yet!!), then, when the fundamentalist extremists are fully in control, the destruction will spread rapidly to the West, because we are non-believers in their form of religion, and that is just not an acceptable situation . They haven't heard of 'live and let live' .	johcar (6283)
576071	2007-08-05 01:33:00	Actually here's an interesting blog from Scott Adams (the Dilbert cartoonist): The common wisdom is that there are too many weapons in Iraq. But, as is my custom, I like to ask if the opposite of common wisdom isn’t also true. Could there be too few weapons in Iraq? Lately, American forces have been funding and arming Iraqi citizens, mostly Sunnis, like rent-a-cops, to patrol their neighborhoods. It’s reasonable to worry that after the armed Iraqi citizens kill the foreign Al Qaeda fighters they will turn on their Shiite dominated government and the U.S. forces. That would certainly be a good argument that there are too many weapons in Iraq. But short term, it seems to be effective. www.msnbc.msn.com Again I ask, “What if there are too few weapons in Iraq?” What if we made sure every man, woman, and child over the age of twelve had guns and plenty of ammo? In other words, what if Iraq were just like Texas? One possibility is that all the new weapons would make the Iraqi civil war far bloodier. You can’t rule that out. The other possibility is that the peace-loving majority would ventilate the worst of the bad people in the first week. That might give pause to the bad people who get promoted to fill those slots. And what of the risk that the ineffective Shiite government would be more threatened by more thoroughly armed citizens? Is that so bad? Maybe the government would make some of the tough decisions needed. How about the risk to American forces? I don’t think they face much risk of gunfire from ordinary Iraqis, because that would be suicide, and only fanatics pursue suicide. The fanatics already have weapons. I’m not recommending we arm 12-year olds. This is just a thought experiment. And it boils down to the question of what happens to a society when the good people have more firepower than the bad people. Is there any example from history where that didn’t work out for the best? (can be found in full, with replies, here (dilbertblog.typepad.com))	johcar (6283)
576072	2007-08-05 02:11:00	Sorry Cicero - have to agree with Joe here . At least with the Americans in the Middle East (regardless of the justification used for them being there), keeps the extremists relatively bottled up and locally (for them) focussed - apart from the recent UK incidents . . . I shudder to think what will happen when the Iraqis/Iranians are left to their own devices, with no 'civilised' influence left there . . . First there will be all-out civil war (you ain't seen nuthin yet!!), then, when the fundamentalist extremists are fully in control, the destruction will spread rapidly to the West, because we are non-believers in their form of religion, and that is just not an acceptable situation . They haven't heard of 'live and let live' . So do I Joh,that was said tongue in cheek .	Cicero (40)
576073	2007-08-05 02:22:00	......Sorry Cicero - have to agree with Joe here. .... :) :) You don't follow Cicero's brand of sarcasm :) :) However, the thread as usual has strayed, it's the Chinese fake high tensile bolts that we all have to be very frightened of.........any moment now there will be structural collapses happening all around us! They would however have been very useful in preventing the Cave Creek viewing platform collapse...any bolts would have been better than just nails. There were more casualties at Cave Creek than the US bridge disaster ....Can any one here apart from our pink friends,believe they would blame a government for the types of bolts that go into a structure. Well at Cave Creek the Government took the blame belatedly for there being no bolts at all !!!	Terry Porritt (14)
576074	2007-08-05 03:14:00	Well naturally, they didn't have computers to help them with design in those days :) No. Nor did they have machines. Or council consent processes. Or unions. Or capitalism. Or anything other than manpower and the desire to not have to do the damn thing again. So they got built quickly (considering) and properly.	pctek (84)
576075	2007-08-05 03:48:00	:) :) You don't follow Cicero's brand of sarcasm :blush: :blush: I'll have to go read a few more of Cicero's posts :)	johcar (6283)
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