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Thread ID: 81722	2007-08-05 02:16:00	Stating the obvious...	johcar (6283)	PC World Chat

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576721	2007-08-05 15:26:00	The things that bothers me is people cry and get shocked over it, but nobody actually does anything. Because we are governed by a person so distant on how things really are i doubt anything will really change at all. Bring back capitol punishment so people are actually scared of going to prison instead of seeing it as free accomodation and food for a piddly amount of time. The system sucks.	rob_on_guitar (4196)
576722	2007-08-05 18:51:00	[edited]What hallucinogenic substance have you been abusing this time, Mackin? Grief... grow or at least borrow a brain cell sometime!	Greg (193)
576723	2007-08-05 19:50:00	Bring back capitol punishment so people are actually scared of going to prison instead of seeing it as free accomodation and food for a piddly amount of time. This will prevent child abuse? Has it worked in the US?	Deane F (8204)
576724	2007-08-05 19:57:00	Don't know..we have people sitting on death row until they die before they get executed...not a very good deterrent at all. Some get Social Security retirement benefits too. The problem is that there are "people" (use of a lower life-form type is indicated here) who insist that the guilty have rights to happiness and free expression for life too..and the do-gooders are like flies all over the place. In reality, the US does NOT have real capitol punishment...just a never ending series of appeals.	SurferJoe46 (51)
576725	2007-08-05 19:59:00	This will prevent child abuse? Has it worked in the US? It would help. People just dont care about punishment or prison these days. Its one of the biggest jokes really. Harsher sentencing is needed also but i cant see that ever happening with Hell and clarke in the throne.	rob_on_guitar (4196)
576726	2007-08-05 20:42:00	It would help. People just dont care about punishment or prison these days. Its one of the biggest jokes really. Harsher sentencing is needed also but i cant see that ever happening with Hell and clarke in the throne. It intuits well, I suppose, that harsher sentences would help. But surely some evidence is needed before changes are made such as the ones you are suggesting? I wonder, what evidence is there that harsher sentences act as a deterrent to serious crime? The Criminal Justice System, in the prosecution of an offence, isolates the criminal transaction itself into a very discrete timeline - and treats the accused similarly. That is to say, it treats the crime as if it the result of a decision made in a single moment of time and loads all responsibility for that isolated decision onto the accused. This is a necessary fiction that is assumed for the purposes of prosecuting a crime - but it does not lend itself very well to the fostering of societal change. As well, the criminal justice system imposes itself after the event. To think that it can actually prevent something from happening is like suggesting that we'll lower the road toll by putting more ambulances on the road...	Deane F (8204)
576727	2007-08-05 20:53:00	To think that it can actually prevent something from happening is like suggesting that we'll lower the road toll by putting more ambulances on the road . . . Got a rather cynical neighbor who insists that the road rage and bad drivers can all be corrected into better performance ie: actually stopping for the STOP signs; GO-ing at the green lights and driving in a real lane instead of two wheels on the sidewalk . He suggests that towers be built near major intersections with a dedicated officer with a high powered rifle, a powerful scope and a few cases of ammunition . Suggested also: leave the dead bodies and the cars on the road and let them serve as a visual deterrent to the rest of the bad drivers . :D	SurferJoe46 (51)
576728	2007-08-05 22:23:00	It intuits well, I suppose, that harsher sentences would help. But surely some evidence is needed before changes are made such as the ones you are suggesting? I wonder, what evidence is there that harsher sentences act as a deterrent to serious crime? The Criminal Justice System, in the prosecution of an offence, isolates the criminal transaction itself into a very discrete timeline - and treats the accused similarly. That is to say, it treats the crime as if it the result of a decision made in a single moment of time and loads all responsibility for that isolated decision onto the accused. This is a necessary fiction that is assumed for the purposes of prosecuting a crime - but it does not lend itself very well to the fostering of societal change. As well, the criminal justice system imposes itself after the event. To think that it can actually prevent something from happening is like suggesting that we'll lower the road toll by putting more ambulances on the road... Only too often we read rapists, murders and major dealers recieve a slap on the wrist punishment. Some serve say 3 - 4 years and then released. In my eyes you take some ones life be it out of spite, anger, revenge etc you forfeit your own. Thats the way i see it. Maybe the victims or the families should have a say in their sentence. Sadly an abused child wouldbe too brainwashed or scared to testify againt somebody who beats/rapes/tortures them. But yea, it'll never happen.	rob_on_guitar (4196)
576729	2007-08-05 22:45:00	But I thought that much of the point of this thread was about where the problem is and how it can be prevented. Rather than what has already happened and how society can best get its revenge against the criminals involved.	Deane F (8204)
576730	2007-08-05 22:50:00	So. I guess you guys are happy about the repealing of section 57 of the crimes act that allowed "reasonable force" in punishing children as a defence? Oh, that's right, most of you were against the "Anti Smacking" bill. flip flop flip flop.	JackStraw (6573)
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