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Thread ID: 81976	2007-08-12 22:37:00	Should the driving age be raised to 18 ?	Digby (677)	PC World Chat

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580340	2007-12-31 01:50:00	Besides. Regardless of all the other arguments, the main reason for putting up the driving age is because we need to do something about GLOBAL WARMING. Yes - put the driving age up and we have less drivers on the roads. Less drivers means less of that evil, polluting CO2 which is causing our planet to warm at an unstoppable rate. Put the driving age up because Mankind's existence depends on it. You can't argue with this logic because nothing is more important. Zqerty will back me up on this. :D	legod (4626)
580341	2007-12-31 08:41:00	Right, a lot of valid points: And I'll be thinking about this. But two things qazwsxokmijn said I just NEED to comment on now: -Even though I mentioned 16 year-olds being able to have sex (legally) to having maturity for driving etc. All I'm saying, is that having sex (among other things) would ruin lives just as much as driving. -AND: (In reply to walking) - depending on where you live, it all varies. It's often UNSAFE to walk now. In fact my parents WONT LET ME walk into town (would be about 5Ks), they are always happy to take me into town when I want to go - but however I don't want to have to worry them with that. The certain place where I live - it's up a long hill (I live at the top) and at the bottom, along that road it's about 1K of "unsafeness" (to walk/bike). And after that, there is another 4K walk (no public transport in between). =================== I've bought up facts about the driving age to my parents and I wrote a speech on it for school (so one of my teacher's heard it) - both my parents and my teacher believed that public transport in New Zealand isn't good compared to other countries. I'll see if I can find out which ones. ================= I'm sorry, I disagree with a lot of what has been said. So as I said, I will post a reply soon - it may not make any difference, but if your sick of this then I suggest you don't read my reply (as I seem to be talking a brick wall, and I'm not sure if you/anyone sees it from the other side.	TylerR (12656)
580342	2007-12-31 08:45:00	Besides . Regardless of all the other arguments, the main reason for putting up the driving age is because we need to do something about GLOBAL WARMING . Yes - put the driving age up and we have less drivers on the roads . Less drivers means less of that evil, polluting CO2 which is causing our planet to warm at an unstoppable rate . Put the driving age up because Mankind's existence depends on it . You can't argue with this logic because nothing is more important . Zqerty will back me up on this . :D Oh! I just saw this page and saw this post! =) Surely that wouldn't be the main reason? I highly dought one year group of teenagers not being able to drive would be something anyone would think of to help lessen global warming? I don't know much about global warming, but I honestly didn't see it from that way and I do care about what happens . But that doesn't mean I'm going to stop driving . I've also heard there are a lot of people thinking Global Warming is a phase of the Earth - they predicted an Ice age a while ago too . BUT: I don't know enough to make an informed descion about the global warming side of things: So - above is only what I "think" and no where near fact .	TylerR (12656)
580343	2007-12-31 09:06:00	So as I said, I will post a reply soon - it may not make any difference, but if your sick of this then I suggest you don't read my reply (as I seem to be talking a brick wall, and I'm not sure if you/anyone sees it from the other side. Nah, I'll keep reading. You seem to keep your cool and stature rather than losing your head and go all haxxor on me and the rest. Usually young'ens do the opposite when they're being disagreed upon. And FYI - I'm still 17, so don't think I'm some old coot trying to pull your wires. :lol: EDIT: Oh, and you haven't told me how your friend gets his 50 grand a year. He's not a P-lab guy is he?	qazwsxokmijn (102)
580344	2007-12-31 10:16:00	He's not my friend. My mum told me about him - a guy who does something to do with computing. A while ago now, I can't remember. But I also know some jobs where people who are 17-18 earn a fair amount for that age. But the guy I'm referring too, doesn't run a P-lab or anything like that btw.	TylerR (12656)
580345	2008-03-19 21:23:00	It's been ages since I've last posted lol. Two things I would like to state on this topic: - If the driving age was to be raised that wouldn't help global warming too much (I mean, help to stop it). As Legod seems to think it would. I'll be honest, I'm going to be driving into town more when I get my restricted license but not much more. If I didn't have my license I would get my parents to take me in and to take me anywhere too - their car is more powerful too, so contributes more. Many teenagers are the same - so it may not make any difference. -And, I've said MANY times before, it may be an idea to limit under 18s to a 1.5L car, but: I can't talk about that anymore, I was considering getting a Nissan Skyline (not anymore though, that sold) but now a Mitsi GTO - 3L, 6 cylinder, so I don't want to have to sell that =P. ****A GTO would be cool =)**** I think that the logical reasons show that the driving age SHOULD NOT be raised to 18. I have many reasons to back that, for anyone who wants to see that look at the past 10 or so pages. HOWEVER - I think the driving age SHOULD be raised to 16, and is what the government is pushing for at the moment. The reason for that being most other countries I know of have their driving age 16 and at the age of 15 it is possible quite easily to be without a license, by 16 it is incredible convenience. Your always going to get bad eggs, of any age group - but there are ways to pick out those bad eggs and let the good ones be eaten. - Bad metophor but hopefully you might get the idea.	TylerR (12656)
580346	2008-03-20 05:18:00	In the eyes of the law a 15 year old is a child i.e can't buy porn, alcohol, get married, vote etc but you can have a 0ne ton lethal weapon?? I was brought up in the UK and had to bike everywhere until the age of 18 yes I got my prov license at 17 the legal age but took that long to pass my test. Why is todays youth lazier and no I did not live in a town I lived rural and I mean rural 10 miles (16km) to town	gary67 (56)
580347	2008-03-20 06:20:00	Son of a ***** you're getting a GTO??? You're lucky, I tell you that. The first car I've driven (and still drive) is a Honda Ascot, 1.8L. Biggest engined car I've driven was 2.5L. That's a pretty advanced car for a beginner, I must say. having first driven a 1.8L car, I distinctively felt the difference in power when I drove my father's 2.5L Cefiro for the first time. A 3L GTO would certainly be something to drive, but you need to take it easy since you're just beginning. And Tyler, I hope you won't be tempted by the GTO's charisma to do anything stupid.	qazwsxokmijn (102)
580348	2008-03-20 06:35:00	Son of a ***** you're getting a GTO??? You're lucky, I tell you that. The first car I've driven (and still drive) is a Honda Ascot, 1.8L. Biggest engined car I've driven was 2.5L. That's a pretty advanced car for a beginner, I must say. having first driven a 1.8L car, I distinctively felt the difference in power when I drove my father's 2.5L Cefiro for the first time. A 3L GTO would certainly be something to drive, but you need to take it easy since you're just beginning. And Tyler, I hope you won't be tempted by the GTO's charisma to do anything stupid. I've almost had my leaner's for 6 months - so it's not like I'm a "basic learner" (even though I still have more on-road experances, and more life experances to learn) - but... I'm not exactially "lucky", I have to buy it myself, I've bought EVERYTHING for my car MYSELF. Same with a lot of things I have. I'm fortunate I have the oppurtunaties I do - I get to earn just a few dollars less than minimum wage*, which allows me to buy such an awesome car =) But, I am very tollerant, patiant, logical and concisanse - I also am a terrible speller and spelt three of those four words wrong. But I am all of the above, and wont be breaking the law or anything =) *If that doesn't make sense, I work at Pack 'n Save, do in my opinion one of the worst jobs and earn less than minimum wage. In the eyes of the law a 15 year old is a child i.e can't buy porn, alcohol, get married, vote etc but you can have a 0ne ton lethal weapon?? I was brought up in the UK and had to bike everywhere until the age of 18 yes I got my prov license at 17 the legal age but took that long to pass my test. Why is todays youth lazier and no I did not live in a town I lived rural and I mean rural 10 miles (16km) to town Times change. When you were 15 you were probably brought up the way as though that's what you did (walking everywhere, doing things for yourself). But it's parent's of this generation that make this generation soft. No ones fault, there was basically no way to avoid this with technology advancing so much (making our lives easier). Yes were lazy ("we" being my generation), but we have adapted to the luxuries. I take economics at school, we discussed that some luxuries can become nessisties. This is one of those things. It's also UNSAFE to walking or biking everywhere now. Where I live, it's up a hill, but at the end of the hill into town the road leading is a 80Km road that cars go A LOT faster along, it is also a very narrow road. It's ALSO an unsafe world the the respect of the dangerous people out there, the kind of people that weren't around in your day (or weren't many). Last thing: I don't want to say everyone my age believes in my personal opinion or saying the law should be the way to suit me =P But, personally I have cerible pausy (another thing I can't spell), which makes it very hard for me to bike, I possibly would if I could. Talking with my friends/people at school, most people can find at least one reason why a car is logical for them.	TylerR (12656)
580349	2008-03-20 06:44:00	Last thing: I don't want to say everyone my age believes in my personal opinion or saying the law should be the way to suit me =P But, personally I have cerible pausy (another thing I can't spell), which makes it very hard for me to bike, I possibly would if I could. Talking with my friends/people at school, most people can find at least one reason why a car is logical for them. Well that changes things, hope I did not offend you	gary67 (56)
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