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Thread ID: 81976	2007-08-12 22:37:00	Should the driving age be raised to 18 ?	Digby (677)	PC World Chat

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580330	2007-12-06 06:37:00	Just to ................................... ....... bother me if the driving age was raised to 18 (before I got my license). I have more important things to worry about at this stage of my life, and a mountain bike can prove effective and cheap. I have a ................. it may not affect me anymore, but may save the lives of people I know, let alone me. Clap for anyone who reads all that. QFT	SolMiester (139)
580331	2007-12-30 09:07:00	QFT Two things: What does "QFT" mean? And the driving age is in the process of being raised to 16. If I had have missed out (which I haven't), it wouldn't bother me, it's only a year but a year longer to grow and mature from 'older' people's perspective. So... For you people who want the driving age raised to 18, are you still not happy with 16? Also: A question I would like to know, as I'm not sure of the answer: From what I am aware, since I'm under the 'old' driver license system, they wouldn't be able to take my license away? (Does anyone think this is true too?) - But does that also mean I should be able to go for my restricted license 6 months after I've had my learners?	TylerR (12656)
580332	2007-12-30 19:12:00	Two things: What does "QFT" mean? Take your pick. (www.acronymfinder.com) I would imagine the fourth option applies in this instance but I could be wrong.	FoxyMX (5)
580333	2007-12-30 21:14:00	Thankyou - that's actually interesting. =) Never heard it before...	TylerR (12656)
580334	2007-12-30 22:45:00	So... For you people who want the driving age raised to 18, are you still not happy with 16? No - I don't see why they couldn't put it up to 17 or 18 immediately. Having said that, it's more the inadequate driver education they have in the first place that bothers me most. What an idle bunch of politicians we have. Surely road safety should be close to the top of the political agenda. If not, why not? Aren't enough people being killed or injured? This has been debated over and over in the media for so many years, yet nothing has been done. And now a pussyfoot reaction. At the very least, increase the age, get rid of the restricted licence rubbish, introduce compulsory professional driving instruction, make the test damn hard to pass, stop these little pricks from driving sports cars and no more wet bus tickets for being a naughty boy behind the wheel.	legod (4626)
580335	2007-12-30 22:52:00	As explained (and even though I said to read it on the last page, I'll say it again) . ADULT DRIVERS ARE A PROBLEM TOO . Yes - because they were kids once and never learned to drive properly . Now these same adults are teaching their kids the same bad habits . Once people have their licence, that's it . Their driving is unlikely to improve beyond that date unless they happen to take it upon themselves to attend a driver education course . Of course, adults generally don't have the same insane risk-taking urges or peer pressure influences as teenagers do .	legod (4626)
580336	2007-12-30 23:16:00	Yes - because they were kids once and never learned to drive properly . Now these same adults are teaching their kids the same bad habits . Once people have their licence, that's it . Their driving is unlikely to improve beyond that date unless they happen to take it upon themselves to attend a driver education course . Of course, adults generally don't have the same insane risk-taking urges or peer pressure influences as teenagers do . Above, what you said - is not nessisarly true . And I dissagree . Bad habits can be picked up, and lost . I don't do 'bad' things like some people my age, so I don't know exactially the kind of things that go on . But I know MORE bad adult drivers, but that is not meaning to say that it was passed down to them . Education on driving is obviously important - and that should be inforced . OTHERWISE - some are ruining it for the large majority . -------- Personally, my dad teaches me . He has some bad habits in the car I've noticed . But NONE of them are passed onto me . I mean NONE at all . . . He tells me to do the right things - and I do as he says, not as he does . Parents/adults who have to teach people how to drive are often like this - not causing a problem . (When I say my dad has bad habits, it's only a few small things - not like speeding, but even speeding wouldn't be something people would pass on through teaching) .	TylerR (12656)
580337	2007-12-30 23:30:00	No - I don't see why they couldn't put it up to 17 or 18 immediately . Having said that, it's more the inadequate driver education they have in the first place that bothers me most . What an idle bunch of politicians we have . Surely road safety should be close to the top of the political agenda . If not, why not? Aren't enough people being killed or injured? This has been debated over and over in the media for so many years, yet nothing has been done . And now a pussyfoot reaction . At the very least, increase the age, get rid of the restricted licence rubbish, introduce compulsory professional driving instruction, make the test damn hard to pass, stop these little pricks from driving sports cars and no more wet bus tickets for being a naughty boy behind the wheel . I've been thinking about an answer to this . And I've thought of one: The government decided to put up minimum wage (for people who are 16 too) - why? Because people who are 16 can leave home - so, they can leave home and have sex, but your saying they shouldn't be able to drive a car? A car's purpose is to get from point A to point B - for people who leave home, that mostly what they would use it for . Some 17 year-olds can be on big money (I know of one) - who is on $50,000 + (it is a very large amount for 17, as the average wage is like $35,000 - even though some people are on bigger amounts) . So, they are mature enough to be able to hold a job like that, yet they wouldn't be able to drive a car? Teenagers are generalized and stereotyped a little too much today . Ones being reckless, will still be reckless when they are older . But there are still PLENTY of teenagers who want their license for CONVENIENCE . The driving age in NZ has been 15 for a long time, it was kept like that for a long period because of farmers - teenagers living in rural areas often had experances on motor vechiles and it was good for them to be able to drive into town . That still applies today for a large amount of people . If people 15-16-17 weren't able to have licenses then what would happen? Parents would have to run them everywhere, I'm sure they have better things to do . You may think, toughen up - walk . But how logical is that . Lastly, public transport in NZ is HOPELESS - in other countries it's a lot better, so it makes it more logical for the driving age to be increased over there - but not here .	TylerR (12656)
580338	2007-12-31 00:15:00	I've been thinking about an answer to this . And I've thought of one: [quote] A car's purpose is to get from point A to point B - for people who leave home, that mostly what they would use it for . Well that's generally what car's were created for but given the number of moronic boy racers on our roads one could assume that some people drive them for entertainment rather than a mode of transport . Some 17 year-olds can be on big money (I know of one) - who is on $50,000 + (it is a very large amount for 17, as the average wage is like $35,000 - even though some people are on bigger amounts) . So, they are mature enough to be able to hold a job like that, yet they wouldn't be able to drive a car? Hell - why not just them vote too? Honestly - how many 17 year olds earn that much? Maturity and responsibility aren't always proportional to salary . Teenagers are generalized and stereotyped a little too much today . It's such a hard life not being an adult . :rolleyes: Ones being reckless, will still be reckless when they are older . But there are still PLENTY of teenagers who want their license for CONVENIENCE . No - generally people grow out of recklessness and aren't subject to peer pressure as they grow older . I'm sure all teenagers want their licence, but what's convenient for them might not be so convenient for some other poor bugger who comes a cropper thanks to some kid's inexperience and poor judgement . No-one says all teenagers are bad drivers . Some are great, if they have had the education . The driving age in NZ has been 15 for a long time, it was kept like that for a long period because of farmers - teenagers living in rural areas often had experances on motor vechiles and it was good for them to be able to drive into town . That still applies today for a large amount of people . No - I think that's rather outdated these days . Responsibility doesn't necessarily come with experience, and just cos you've driven a tractor or a quad bike doesn't automatically qualify you for a licence over a city kid . Anyone can steer a car and put their foot on the go pedal . Developing roadcraft only comes with maturity and a good education . If people 15-16-17 weren't able to have licenses then what would happen? We'd have alot less dead people and miserable survivors . I'd be all for that . Parents would have to run them everywhere, I'm sure they have better things to do . It's called parental responsibility . Lastly, public transport in NZ is HOPELESS - in other countries it's a lot better Which other countries are you talking about?	legod (4626)
580339	2007-12-31 01:26:00	I've been thinking about an answer to this . And I've thought of one: The government decided to put up minimum wage (for people who are 16 too) - why? Because people who are 16 can leave home - so, they can leave home and have sex, but your saying they shouldn't be able to drive a car? Where's the logic in that? Just because 16 year olds have the dick and testosterone/hole and estrogen to have sex, that will never guarantee their maturity to drive a car . 16 year olds can have sex - and where does that lead? Teenage pregnancies, babies born to very young mothers - effectively disrupting the mothers' lives . Many teenage mothers are certainly not mature enough to have babies - them having the babies in the first place proves this . And what does that say about the '16 year old' males, who becomes the father? If he was 'mature' enough, he would have controlled his testosterone and think with his brain instead of his dick and used protection to avoid pregnancy . Again, I'm not saying all teenagers who had sex are so irresponsible like that - but linking the maturity of having sex and driving cars is just . . . . . . . ridiculous . Oh - and I doubt the government's reason to put up the minimum wage isn't only because 16 year olds can leave home - not all 16 year olds leave home . They put it up because many 16 year olds are doing the same jobs as their older counterparts . I man checkouts at a local supermarket - my scan rate is around 18 items/minute . Another worker, a 19 year old, only has a scan rate of 16 items/minute, and gets paid higher than me . Where's the fairness in that? Some 17 year-olds can be on big money (I know of one) - who is on $50,000 + (it is a very large amount for 17, as the average wage is like $35,000 - even though some people are on bigger amounts) . So, they are mature enough to be able to hold a job like that, yet they wouldn't be able to drive a car? On 50 grand a year for a 17 year old? In NZ? Please, tell me how he 'works' his ass off to get that much money . And to save your time - I don't count having his daddy giving him invested money as a back-breaking job . And seriously - how many 17 year olds do you think earn that much money in NZ? Ones being reckless, will still be reckless when they are older . Very untrue . Age grants maturity for many . We don't have the term man-racers . Only boy-racers . But there are still PLENTY of teenagers who want their license for CONVENIENCE . Not gonna argue with you on that one . Because that's probably the sanest thing you've said thus far . I got my license so I can drive to work and simply get from point A to B . If people 15-16-17 weren't able to have licenses then what would happen? Parents would have to run them everywhere, I'm sure they have better things to do . Gonna have to agree with Legod here - parental responsibility . If you can't have 'em, then don't have 'em . I know my father hated driving me around here and there, but he'd prefer me coming back home in one piece rather than have the police knock on the door and tell him I've become a vegetable or dead . A friend of mine lives all the way in Muriwai . She works at Pak'n'Save at Lincoln, about 30-40 minute drive one-way . She drives, but is on her learners . Her mother drives her without complaining, 4 times per day just so her daughter can get to work . Those 4 trips would mean 120-140 minutes on the road just so her daughter can work . That's parental responsibility . More of it is needed . You may think, toughen up - walk . But how logical is that . Why isn't that logical? I used to walk or catch buses to go to friends' houses or work . We evolved legs so we can walk . That sort of attitude will just feed the obesity trend . Lastly, public transport in NZ is HOPELESS - in other countries it's a lot better, so it makes it more logical for the driving age to be increased over there - but not here . I'm quite happy with the bus routines in NZ . I'm not prepared to lose a loved one just so I can catch the bus 15 minutes earlier .	qazwsxokmijn (102)
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