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| Thread ID: 82439 | 2007-08-27 12:26:00 | Burglars apparently have rights, too | qazwsxokmijn (102) | PC World Chat |
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| 585176 | 2007-08-29 23:28:00 | allblack You make an assertion, follow it up with two examples, but then fail to point out the differences. What exactly is the difference between two examples? Ummm...are you serious? OK...assuming you are, one is a criminal. I understand from your points so far that these two cases should be treated equally when it comes to ACC payments? With no questions or raised eyebrows? If my understanding is not correct, and I hope it isn't, then so be it. If it is, and you beleive it is both morally and ethically correct for the two cases to be judged equally, then I guess you and I ain't headed for a lot of agreement on such matters. |
allblack (6574) | ||
| 585177 | 2007-08-30 04:51:00 | I completely understand your point Allblack but under ACC we did away with the concept of fault. Today no-one has to argue about who caused an accident or whether they contributed to it themselves. When the law was changed in the early 1970s we gave up the right to sue for personal injury in return for no fault immediate coverage. In my opinion this was a good piece of law. However as you point out, issues of ethical behaviour are completely ignored by ACC. The problem is that if you reintroduce such a bar, you open up a whole area of dispute - was it a burglary or a drunken prank??......etc etc. Don't forget that despite the injury a burglar can still be prosecuted and imprisoned under the criminal justice system. ACC doesn't stop that. |
Winston001 (3612) | ||
| 585178 | 2007-08-30 06:33:00 | What absolute rubbish! Where on earth did you find that? From a crown solicitor as it happens. You can ask a cop if you don't believe me. |
winmacguy (3367) | ||
| 585179 | 2007-08-30 06:35:00 | And Macs are useful, pigs fly for hours, and - - - Well people who know how to use them find Macs very useful, although they aren't much use for defending yourself against attack. |
winmacguy (3367) | ||
| 585180 | 2007-08-30 06:59:00 | What absolute rubbish! Where on earth did you find that? Of course there are no such set rules. Each case is assessed on its own particular circumstances. (And if there was a rule, how often would you find a witness with a tape measure handy?) You will note Metla has pins 2mm out all round his face for such occasions. So I think drippo might have a point. |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 585181 | 2007-08-30 08:21:00 | If your ever attacked by a person with a knife your not legally allowed to defend your self (hit them) until the knife is approx 2 cm from your face. Go figure.:rolleyes: Wrong. I'd hazard a guess that what you have been told is that in a trial the Crown lost a prosecution where they thought they should have succeeded and in the case, a knife was involved but not up against the face. There is nothing in the Crimes Act 1961 to support what you were told - not your fault, just a matter of interpreting the facts in every case. For example, if the knife is pointed away, or held loosely is there an actual threat? Things are not always as they seem. |
Winston001 (3612) | ||
| 585182 | 2007-08-30 08:43:00 | Wrong . I'd hazard a guess that what you have been told is that in a trial the Crown lost a prosecution where they thought they should have succeeded and in the case, a knife was involved but not up against the face . There is nothing in the Crimes Act 1961 to support what you were told - not your fault, just a matter of interpreting the facts in every case . For example, if the knife is pointed away, or held loosely is there an actual threat? Things are not always as they seem . I'm just going on what I was told from a subject that came up in discussion . |
winmacguy (3367) | ||
| 585183 | 2007-08-30 09:08:00 | I completely understand your point Allblack but under ACC we did away with the concept of fault. Today no-one has to argue about who caused an accident or whether they contributed to it themselves. I understand that....in this country these days that sort of mindless stupidity does not surprise me. However..... ....what worries me is Deane F seems to be able to justify this stupidity. Whereas I begrudgingly accept it. I look forward to said justification. |
allblack (6574) | ||
| 585184 | 2007-08-30 09:27:00 | This reminds me of the shop owner who shot a burglar while he was trying to rob his shop and got in a lota crap for it. | --Wolf-- (128) | ||
| 585185 | 2007-08-30 12:53:00 | This reminds me of the shop owner who shot a burglar while he was trying to rob his shop and got in a lota crap for it. Like that gun store guy who shot the would be theif who had a machete? Pity he only shot him in the stomach. |
rob_on_guitar (4196) | ||
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