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Thread ID: 82702	2007-09-05 04:21:00	Quality of life.	Cicero (40)	PC World Chat

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588199	2007-09-06 02:24:00	ROTFL Most of us that have visited or lived in Australia for any length of time knows the quaility of life difference is very small (and subjective). If Australia is #3 NZ should be maybe #6. As the average Australian has become as dumbed down as the average American I would rate them both in the bottom of the list if not worse!. Who could live in a country where most of the people believe they are in Iraq for democracy and freedom, it would drive me nuts lol. Bottom line that article is garbage.	Battleneter2 (9361)
588200	2007-09-06 03:08:00	Hey [edit] - I've lived in three countries and visited about twenty others. NZ is the place to be. Don't give us your "open mind" crappola - simply count the numbers of return Kiwis and the number of foreigners who want to not only invest here but also to live here permanently. What alot of dribble you spout Greg!, Ken is quiet correct and not everybody has the choice of where they live....man you are seriously a deranged FW sometimes!	SolMiester (139)
588201	2007-09-06 05:14:00	Feel free to debate to your hearts content, but do not resort to personal attacks. Any more, and the thread will be closed.	Jen (38)
588202	2007-09-06 05:17:00	well, I lived in #1 (Norway) country for about 19 years, have been in NZ for about 6 and I really like it here. These quality of life surveys seem to come out alot, with different results each time, so I wouldn't take it too seriously. It comes down to what you like i Suppose. I can't stand living in Australia or the UK, but that's just me.	Jan Birkeland (4741)
588203	2007-09-06 05:25:00	Depends on what part of NZ your in and what you want or need out of life. Maybe the West coast of the South Island where things are a slower pace of life, people are friendly and almost always talk to you, you know your neighbours name and all their relatives and hardly any traffic on the roads to worry about. Go down to the local pub and have a beer or two with the local cop and his brother who is probably chief of police in the town. Alternatively Living in Auckland where your surrounded by people you don't know, battle for an hour in and out of the city to work each day, work all god-send hours to keep a mortgage of an over priced house. Scared to go to the pub and have to drive home for fear of getting picked up and loosing your license, car, job, house etc. Alternatively Something in between, maybe Napier, Nelson for Sun. New Plymouth for Rain, Te Anau for mountains and long walks. I think the quality of life is good in NZ compared to a lot of other countries i have visited. But in all that the City is fine for me:-)	Bantu (52)
588204	2007-09-06 07:27:00	Ignorance is bliss . Arrogance is not . You chose to leave, I respect that but now you choose to imply that those of us that choose to live in NZ are ignorant, and this just being a pompous ass . Now - those that leave because they are upset with the govt are just cowards . Rather than stay and sort out the problems they run away, its probably not their fault - its genetic . Running away shows a character flaw which stems back to early man, and unfortunately modernisation had prevented some of these flaws in geneticsm to survive and linger within the genetic pool like a festering sore . It needs to be cut out so the rest of us can get on with dealing with issues head on as opposed to hiding in a corner then when it is safe throwing stones in a hope that you get the attention you dont deserve . Call me ignorant? I call you a coward - grow some then come back . NZ is still a better place to live than any other country FULL STOP!	sam m (517)
588205	2007-09-06 08:15:00	Sam, if you were American we would all be muttering about "ignorant redneck americans making out their country is the best" . Why does not the same apply to your words? Patriotism is fine, as long as it doesn't degenerate into being a rabid zealot, thats just off putting and wrong regardless of the culture .	netchicken (4843)
588206	2007-09-06 08:38:00	It all depends what you want out of life, and what your profession or career path may be, because in so many career paths there are not the opportunities to do as well as one can in Europe, the USA or even Australia. If one is a highly talented violinist, then it is Europe or the USA, physicist, research scientist etc the same. The amount of top University research talent that has left for overseas because of underfunding are too numerous to count, especially in the areas of medical research and associated disciplines. Other statistics that do not rank well internationally, is New Zealand's record on crimes of violence, and police to population ratios suggest it is not going to improve. As for retiring, Australia treats retirees far more generously than NZ, its no wonder so many Kiwi superannuants now call Australia home - in Brisbane one can actually get elective surgery in a public hospital well inside 12 months, my wife was operated on for gall stones inside 6 months of the problem being diagnosed. If one is over 60 there is no tax on the first $13500, so a couple between them can bring in $27K without tax liability, and each is taxed at 15% up to $20K income from all sources, and the concessions one gets on electricity, public transport etc are quite generous. Unhappily to retire comfortably in NZ, and get medical care over the age of 65 one has to be relatively well off.	KenESmith (6287)
588207	2007-09-06 08:50:00	It all depends what you want out of life, and what your profession or career path may be, because in so many career paths there are not the opportunities to do as well as one can in Europe, the USA or even Australia. If one is a highly talented violinist, then it is Europe or the USA, physicist, research scientist etc the same. The amount of top University research talent that has left for overseas because of underfunding are too numerous to count, especially in the areas of medical research and associated disciplines. Other statistics that do not rank well internationally, is New Zealand's record on crimes of violence, and police to population ratios suggest it is not going to improve. As for retiring, Australia treats retirees far more generously than NZ, its no wonder so many Kiwi superannuants now call Australia home - in Brisbane one can actually get elective surgery in a public hospital well inside 12 months, my wife was operated on for gall stones inside 6 months of the problem being diagnosed. If one is over 60 there is no tax on the first $13500, so a couple between them can bring in $27K without tax liability, and each is taxed at 15% up to $20K income from all sources, and the concessions one gets on electricity, public transport etc are quite generous. Unhappily to retire comfortably in NZ, and get medical care over the age of 65 one has to be relatively well off. And highlighted is the reason for you Ken, when it all comes down to it, ones reasons for leaving are personal. Not enough money, not happy with taxes, better jobs, whatever. Make the decison then live with it but dont tell me my desicion is based on ignorance - my decsion to live in NZ is just as valid as yours to leave. (this is not an attack at you Ken but your post was the example that suited this response)	sam m (517)
588208	2007-09-06 08:55:00	I don't really care what surveys and studies say . I'm a NZer, love living here, and will continue to do so . Couldn't agree more . Even though I HATE the damn prices and late release dates of things, on top of the HORRIBLE broadband, I don't care . Many people would KILL to live here .	--Wolf-- (128)
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