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Thread ID: 83020	2007-09-16 07:21:00	Driving age in New Zealand	Sweep (90)	PC World Chat

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591696	2007-11-02 00:23:00	make them drive diesels ! All bow down before Diesel! That sort of performance from a non-turbo 1600 would probably be too expensive for a teenager. Wouldn't they just get it on credit anyway? How many accidents have been caused because stupidly lowered cars are always slowing down to drive over small bumps :D Reminds me, a while back in the press, there was a story on a car with no wof, reg, etc. It was a rough beast (dented everthing, lowered so much the metal in the wheel wells was cutting into the tyres, y'know, that kind of car). Cops pulled it over, tyrns out it'd been lowered by piling rocks into the boot, below the seats, everywhere! As for limits on engine sizes/types, it'd be easily sidedstepped with this: money.cnn.com I put my right foot onto the accelerator pedal and whoosh! Half a block covered as I blinked. I backed off immediately, and thanks to the engine braking Wright has dialed into the system (which captures regenerative energy), the X1 instantaneously slowed even before I could hit the brakes. Once I had it pointed straight on a long, clear patch of road, I tried again. Since the X1 has only one gear, no clutch, and all the torque available all the time, there was no power crescendo, no shift time - just an unbroken and terrifying blast of speed that felt as if we were going to achieve liftoff. It was hard to keep my watering eyes focused as we rocketed down the road with the hurricane-gale wind threatening to remove my hair, if not my head. I want one. It does 0 to 60 mph in about 3 secs!:eek:	ubergeek85 (131)
591697	2007-11-02 00:48:00	I think until 18 there should be a 1600cc naturally aspirated limit on cars, I've seen a guy who looked 16 in an Evo 6! I'm sure the loan companies wouldn’t opt for the law though. No, 1100cc would be more appropriate. Preferably one that can't get to 80k/hr without feeling like it is going to fall to pieces around you. Then between the ages of 18 and 21 they can graduate to 1300cc, provided they haven't incurred any fines during that time. That will fix them.	FoxyMX (5)
591698	2007-11-02 21:26:00	No, 1100cc would be more appropriate. Preferably one that can't get to 80k/hr without feeling like it is going to fall to pieces around you. They need to put my grandfather's van back into production!	ubergeek85 (131)
591699	2007-11-02 22:18:00	1600cc limit is fairly useless . that still gives them 160+ hoursepower in a lightweight car to drive (250km/h+) and thats without adding a turbo . make them drive diesels ! education is the key . bigger tyes and lowered suspension do not always mean a better handling car . most young drivers wouldn't know what its like to drive a car that breaks grip as opposed to slide . eg you make a car grip extremely well and they will drive it to the limit without even realising it . the day they go over that limit they lose all grip and will be going at higher speed than normal, so there is no way they can recover it . not that they will even know how to recover from a slide . they are better off the learn how to drive a poor handling car and learn to how recover from slides etc . When I worked for the MOT as a traffic cop we tried to use the three E's . Engineering . Education . Enforcement . In that order . Engineering means safe roads, No potholes . Good camber . Correct signs, Barriers, Medians etc . Education means letting people know what the current law is and also defensive driving certificates . My first defensive driving lesson came from my father . He told me to treat everyone on the road as an idiot . A lesson I did not forget . Enforcement means the officer writes you a ticket . The said officer has to prove in court that you are guilty of the alleged offence . Try not to get me started on infringement notices . Also laws that can't be enforced .	Sweep (90)
591700	2007-11-03 10:44:00	Engineering means safe roads, No potholes . Good camber . Correct signs, Barriers, Medians etc . yeah right!:lol: tell us another one	motorbyclist (188)
591701	2007-11-17 02:12:00	No, 1100cc would be more appropriate . Preferably one that can't get to 80k/hr without feeling like it is going to fall to pieces around you . Then between the ages of 18 and 21 they can graduate to 1300cc, provided they haven't incurred any fines during that time . That will fix them . Sounds ok to me . For a 15 year old . But tell me . Are there any cars like that that actually EXIST that aren't, like, a million years old?	Marion Wilson (12654)
591702	2007-11-17 02:15:00	currently, if found to be driving dangerously, or 50kph over the limit (which qualifies as dangerous even on empty straight road), they do that anyway it is stupid, there should be a power restriction . funny thing is, an inline 4 250cc sportbike is much faster than most cars on the roads, yet the limit is still a sensible, practical one - probably one of the best made/planned decisions the govt ever made:lol: 50 kph over the speed limit? In a 100 kph zone, iff they were going 40 kph over the speed limit at 140 kph that's fast enough to kill someone if they crash, would they just get away with a TICKET? It's not enough, it should be restricted more to 10 kph . But there should be a power restriction .	Marion Wilson (12654)
591703	2007-11-17 02:33:00	currently, if found to be driving dangerously, or 50kph over the limit (which qualifies as dangerous even on empty straight road), they do that anyway it is stupid, there should be a power restriction . funny thing is, an inline 4 250cc sportbike is much faster than most cars on the roads, yet the limit is still a sensible, practical one - probably one of the best made/planned decisions the govt ever made:lol: 50 kph over the speed limit? In a 100 kph zone, iff they were going 40 kph over the speed limit at 140 kph that's fast enough to kill someone if they crash, would they just get away with a TICKET? It's not enough, it should be restricted more to 10 kph . But there should be a power restriction .	Marion Wilson (12654)
591704	2007-11-17 02:46:00	Sounds ok to me . For a 15 year old . But tell me . Are there any cars like that that actually EXIST that aren't, like, a million years old? And those types of cars would have to be extremely well cared for to not fall to pieces anyway - not so much from being pushed too far as from sheer AGE . And, for cars that old, if they break down, it's very hard to find spare parts for them and they are expensive to fix . And the only car I know of that is like the one you described - cannot go faster than 80kph without feeling like it is going to fall to pieces - is my dad's vintage Singer . But if it's in the right conditions, it can do 100 kph . I don't know how old it is, but it's between 50 to 60 years old . Pretty old, eh? So unless you want the government to ring up the head offices of Mitsubishi and Haiyundai and all the other car companies and ask them to manufacture cars like the one you just described, the law you proposed is not practical .	Marion Wilson (12654)
591705	2007-11-17 02:59:00	exactly: a 1400cc non-turbo limit is much more appropriate - that way i can continue to drive relatively safely in my 1330cc starlet with dual airbags that said, if you put a 1300cc hyabusa engine (from a motorbike) into a small car you get some pretty impressive performance out of it	motorbyclist (188)
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