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Thread ID: 83030	2007-09-16 20:30:00	The drink driving advert with the ford car	netchicken (4843)	PC World Chat

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591817	2007-09-17 06:23:00	typical ford :( what ford are really wingeing about is their new ford falcons have stability control which is meant to stop you 'loosing it' on a corner. but in typical pen pushing style they forgot the basics, stability control, abs etc etc CAN NOT do anything when the wheels loose traction due to going into a corner wrong. its the same sort of nonsense as "AWD makes the car safer" :( the ad just shot holes in fords marketing. they now have to rely on a real car to sell rather than gimmicks. Good stability control might well have stopped him spinning like that, if I understand it right... He'd still crash into the bank from going too fast, but I don't think the back of the car would have skidded out like that. It depends, I suppose, on whether he lost control by accelerating and breaking the back wheels away, braking and locking them up (which shouldn't happen with ABS) or if the car just naturally oversteers round corners. Note that I'm not trying to imply I know more about this than you, because I don't :p TC might not stop you crashing, but it makes it easier to make adjustments. I know from experince that understeer is "safe" in that it doesn't hurt the stability of the vehicle, and won't crash you unless you're going too fast and hit the curb. Oversteer, on the other hand, requires skill to get out of, and you need to react fast, and right the first time. About a year ago I went around a corner too fast just like he did (except without the land mines :p) and got into a slide which I couldn't control. If I had traction control (and it worked as intended) I would have drove over the curb - bad, but not as bad as what actually happened, which was going into the curb sideways and damaging the suspension. Now if I got into that situation I would know how to handle it, but if you are the type of person who doesn't know how to brake properly and doesn't know how to countersteer properly, TC and/or ABS could well save your life. Of course, neither is a replacement for good driving skill, or taking a corner at an appropriate speed.	george12 (7)
591818	2007-09-17 07:24:00	Holden v Ford - who cares! They're just cars! Christ I dont believe what I am seeing. Just cars ~!@# me dead. tedheath	tedheath (537)
591819	2007-09-17 07:36:00	They should have used the Ford Exploder, which has a history of rolling over	plod (107)
591820	2007-09-17 07:44:00	I know from experience that understeer is "safe" in that it doesn't hurt the stability of the vehicle, and won't crash you unless you're going too fast and hit the curb. Oversteer, on the other hand, requires skill to get out of, and you need to react fast, and right the first time. Sorry George but I'd go the other way. Give me over-steer over under-steer any day (maybe it was driving rear wheel drive cars for many years) - IMO it is much easier to get out of an over-steer situation (all other things being equal) and secondly, you definitely do not want to cross the centre line in a understeer situation.....in an open road scenario that usually results in disaster/fatalities. Whereas oversteer in the same situation - with the right application of power and control, you can avoid spinning out and/or crossing the centre line. Just my opinion...... Andrew	andrew93 (249)
591821	2007-09-17 08:01:00	Understeer/Oversteer, Its dependent on the vehicle, and a capable driver will drive to suit the capabilities and characteristics of the vehicle they are driving. If you can't then you shouldn't be on the road....and thats the issue... Under certain conditions the front end of my wagon will sledge, during other cunning stunts the back end will break away, I know when its going to happen, I recognize when its happening and I take the required action. Lets get rid of the speed limits and let natural selection sort it out.	Metla (12)
591822	2007-09-17 09:21:00	Lets get rid of the speed limits and let natural selection sort it out. too much collateral damage	Greven (91)
591823	2007-09-17 09:24:00	Sorry George but I'd go the other way. Give me over-steer over under-steer any day (maybe it was driving rear wheel drive cars for many years) - IMO it is much easier to get out of an over-steer situation (all other things being equal) and secondly, you definitely do not want to cross the centre line in a understeer situation.....in an open road scenario that usually results in disaster/fatalities. Whereas oversteer in the same situation - with the right application of power and control, you can avoid spinning out and/or crossing the centre line. Just my opinion...... Andrew I'm just used to front-wheel-drive cars. I've never had a RWD vehicle anywhere close to a skid. I know what you mean though. With oversteer you have more options, instead of just sliding towards the outside. But most people don't know what to do when the back slides out, and I have been in a situation before where if I hadn't have known what to do I would have been off a cliff. My car doesn't have traction control or ABS and if I'd slammed on the brakes I would have slid right off the cliff, and if I hadn't steered the right way I would have also gone off the cliff, probably backwards. I'm not even sure what I slipped on... The thing about front wheel drive cars is you can quite safely give it as much gas around a corner as you want and all it will do is understeer - but if you're well within the limits of traction anyway it's not a problem. I've never given a rear-wheel-drive much gas around a corner but my understanding is you can easily break the wheels away and put it into a slide.	george12 (7)
591824	2007-09-17 09:26:00	... Besides, as we all know, there aren't landmines on the road 99.8% of the time, so I think everyone should get over the ad. Only 99.8% of the time!!! - I'm glad I don't drive where you do... :lol: :lol: :lol:	johcar (6283)
591825	2007-09-17 09:27:00	Yeah ! You're right ! Next thing people will be comparing Windows versus Mac !! They're just computers after all, aren't they ?????Yup! :D	johcar (6283)
591826	2007-09-17 09:59:00	Why are the bastards still showing the ad with the Falc when Ford is taking court action. A bit of common sense would dictate they stopped showing the Falc crashing . Arrogant !@#$s tedheath	tedheath (537)
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