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Thread ID: 82967	2007-09-14 10:42:00	Got a cold? Have some cloned chicken soup	qazwsxokmijn (102)	PC World Chat

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591210	2007-09-15 11:48:00	Sorry..you forget that humans don't consume foods on a genetic level and no reactionary ideas are going to change that. [/INDENT] That may well be true but humans are affected by things they digest because of its DNA. eg. camphelobacter, salmonella, Botulism, Creutzfeldt-Jakob, fungi, molds, yeasts..... And of course there are the cross breeding mistakes we've had (without GE) like killer bees	porkster (6331)
591211	2007-09-15 11:57:00	That may well be true but humans are affected by things they digest because of its DNA. eg. camphelobacter, salmonella, Botulism, Creutzfeldt-Jakob, fungi, molds, yeasts..... And of course there are the cross breeding mistakes we've had (without GE) like killer bees The proteins the DNA produces, to be exact.	qazwsxokmijn (102)
591212	2007-09-15 11:58:00	Dont forget those giant killer tomatoes or the return of banana man...:lol:	rob_on_guitar (4196)
591213	2007-09-15 16:41:00	The proteins the DNA produces, to be exact . I'll allow that only if you allow that the DNA of those things you mentioned are the very reasons why they are differentiated from other lifeforms and therefor are serving their own inherent purposes . . . . . . and to be MORE exact . . it's the toxins produced by the waste products of these life forms that are the danger . . NOT THE DNA! I swear that if you actually believe something like you stated that voodoo science is being taught to you . :lol: I suppose spontaneous generation is still "science of the day" . And don't forget Pasteur was soundly lashed for trying to inject cowpox into people and they actually believed that they'd all grow cow parts too . Gads . . the stuff you are saying is 17th century alchemy . The DNA chain of four chemicals and a few protein binders of a foreign virus, bacteria, mold, fungus, animal part or fruit/vegetable are NOT responsible for any traits, diseases or sicknesses that you may now, have in the past, or will in the future ever . It just cannot happen . . . . . believe me . You MIGHT eat something that is poisoned . . . but that's another story all together .	SurferJoe46 (51)
591214	2007-09-15 21:47:00	The DNA chain of four chemicals and a few protein binders of a foreign virus, bacteria, mold, fungus, animal part or fruit/vegetable are NOT responsible for any traits, diseases or sicknesses that you may now, have in the past, or will in the future ever. It just cannot happen.....believe me. Google prions. ;)	Jen (38)
591215	2007-09-16 00:33:00	I know about prions and things like BSE and C-J Syndrome..but this has absolutely NOTHING to do with eating GE or any genetic material. You are actually talking about diseased organisms, fungi, molds, spores, single-celled protozoans, protein chain disrupter enzymes, plasmotic/plasmolic variators and obtuse views on cellular variable permeability, etc...not the geno-reproductive code of the DNA! DNA does NOT cross thresholds to another animal through the digestive process to cause any cellular mutation. It CAN cause disease only IF the disease carrying or waste-producing agent is a product of the biologically ingested foodstuff..NOT THRU THE CODE OF THE DNA! The DNA of the infectious agent is what makes it what it is as a lifeform...not that it can make you or any part of you one of what it is too. A poisonous snake is a poisonous snake because of it's DNA. I suppose that you would therefor blame the DNA of the snake for killing you if you were bitten by it? Bad logic..... and it's exactly what you proffer in your statement of prions. It is voodoo science. Rather...IT (DNA/RNA) is digested and the possibility of any malevolent code is lost by foodstuff assimilation through digestion. The idea of DNA from re-engineered animals/plants causing genetic or destructive damage to the consuming animal is nothing but more voodoo science and is just meant to scare people into submission by playing on their ignorance and superstition....I personally feel it's the people who sell "Organic" and "Humane" foods that are letting this out as "scientific proof" that our foodchain is all gone to hell. I totally suspect PETA as the prime generator of this nonsense. BSE is one of their babies. It would however be a good thing to keep all forms of malevolence from the food chain, but that is just not possible. Poisons and mutagenic agents are not the same. Poisons act upon the life form and render it room temperature. ....(allowances for symbiotic relationships as an aside). Radiation is a mutagenic agent of a high level. It has nothing to do with injecting DNA into the host..it instead disrupts the recombinant (RNA), usually destroying the pool of the matrix chemicals and making the new chain of DNA incomplete because of a short amount of base materials. This is a mutation! Polychromal-protein chains and co-valences are also disruptable via radiation. NOTE: The protein that prions are made of is found throughout the body, even in healthy people and animals. However, the prion protein found in infectious material has a different structure and is resistant to proteases, the enzymes in the body that can normally break down proteins. THIS IS A CELLULAR-LEVEL DIGESTIVE PROCESS AND NOT A DNA-RELATED ILLNESS BY MUTATION TO THE HOST! The normal form of the protein is called PrPC, while the infectious form is called PrPSc — the C refers to 'cellular' or 'common' PrP, while the Sc refers to 'scrapie', a prion disease occurring in sheep. While PrPC is structurally well-defined, PrPSc is certainly polydisperse and defined at a relatively poor level. PrP can be induced to fold into other more-or-less well-defined isoforms in vitro, and their relationship to the form(s) that are pathogenic in vivo is not yet clear.	SurferJoe46 (51)
591216	2007-09-16 00:34:00	I'll allow that only if you allow that the DNA of those things you mentioned are the very reasons why they are differentiated from other lifeforms and therefor are serving their own inherent purposes. .....and to be MORE exact..it's the toxins produced by the waste products of these life forms that are the danger..NOT THE DNA! I swear that if you actually believe something like you stated that voodoo science is being taught to you. :lol: I suppose spontaneous generation is still "science of the day". And don't forget Pasteur was soundly lashed for trying to inject cowpox into people and they actually believed that they'd all grow cow parts too. Gads..the stuff you are saying is 17th century alchemy. The DNA chain of four chemicals and a few protein binders of a foreign virus, bacteria, mold, fungus, animal part or fruit/vegetable are NOT responsible for any traits, diseases or sicknesses that you may now, have in the past, or will in the future ever. It just cannot happen.....believe me. You MIGHT eat something that is poisoned...but that's another story all together. huh? :waughh: EDIT: Oh, were you talking to porkster, surfer? About the voodoo science and all?	qazwsxokmijn (102)
591217	2007-09-16 00:38:00	Don't make me get my soapbox outta the closet again....I was pre-med for three years in UC Irvine...and I LIKE this sorta stuff!	SurferJoe46 (51)
591218	2007-09-16 01:40:00	Don't make me get my soapbox outta the closet again....Hell, you mean the stuff before was pre-soapbox? :eek: :p	Jen (38)
591219	2007-09-16 01:56:00	Bloody hell, why didn't Phillip or Surfer talk about this one year ago when I was staying up late preparing my freaking GE report? :angry	Renmoo (66)
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