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| Thread ID: 82986 | 2007-09-15 00:26:00 | Microsoft Patents Uncrackable DRM | intel hunter (6666) | PC World Chat |
| Post ID | Timestamp | Content | User | ||
| 591334 | 2007-09-15 05:12:00 | Doesn't matter what protection is put in any audio /video track sooner or later (normally sooner) someone will find a work around. next time:D I give DVD Jon a week to crack it. |
winmacguy (3367) | ||
| 591335 | 2007-09-16 00:05:00 | This patent is a waste of time for MS. The operating system 50 implements a client-side watermark detecting system 52 to detect watermarks in the audio stream and a media audio player 54 to facilitate play of the audio content through the media output device(s) 44 (e.g., sound card, speakers, etc.). If the watermark is present, the client can identify its copyright and other associated information. Nobody other than Microsoft would do this at the operating system level. Apple would just do it in iTunes which is not part of the operating system and the *NIX crowd make everything modular - nothing like this would be integrated in the OS itself. As a result there is nobody left that this patent could be enforced against! |
TGoddard (7263) | ||
| 591336 | 2007-09-16 00:36:00 | Apple would just do it in iTunes which is not part of the operating system and the *NIX crowd make everything modular - nothing like this would be integrated in the OS itself. As a result there is nobody left that this patent could be enforced against! Correction - Apple wouldn't do it PERIOD. Apple is currently trying to get a lot of the music labels to agree to DRM FREE music delivered @ 256kb AAC. The latest version of iTunes v 7.4.1.1 has NO DRM whatsoever and the newest feature is downloadable ringtones from the iTunes music store. Even iTunes itself doesn't DRM tracks that you rip from CDs and never has - unlike WMP 11. MS is just sucking up to the MPAA and RIAA. |
winmacguy (3367) | ||
| 591337 | 2007-09-16 01:08:00 | Correction - Apple wouldn't do it PERIOD. Apple is currently trying to get a lot of the music labels to agree to DRM FREE music delivered @ 256kb AAC.Actually this is perfect for Apple. As I said in my first post, this technology has nothing to do with encryption but watermarking which is the sole fall-back Apple includes in DRM-free tracks to discourage the sharing of these purchases. But of course it's Microsoft putting this one up on the board. Hmm, if Apple are trying to keep iPod/iPhone users locked into iTunes (www.tuaw.com), well there's your software-assisted regulation for a similar tech from the Apple camp (despite patents and all)... |
sal (67) | ||
| 591338 | 2007-09-16 01:19:00 | Actually this is perfect for Apple . As I said in my first post, this technology has nothing to do with encryption but watermarking which is the sole fall-back Apple includes in DRM-free tracks to discourage the sharing of these purchases . But of course it's Microsoft putting this one up on the board . Hmm, if Apple are trying to keep iPod/iPhone users locked into iTunes ( . tuaw . com/2007/09/15/6th-gen-ipods-wont-work-with-linux-winamp/" target="_blank">www . tuaw . com), well there's your software-assisted regulation for a similar tech from the Apple camp (despite patents and all) . . . <crawling onto a local soapbox here> It's not WHO has it or WHY . . . it's WHAT are they gonna do it for? Missing the point here and attempting to turn this around, I see that if there is any way to meter the number of time you play a certain musical choice and keeping track of IP and the other identifiers whatever they may be . . then it is just a look-see in my personal and private life . I do not want to get a bill in the mail from XYZ Studios because I played their album too many times or did so at a friend's house or in my car across a state line making it a federal offense . I'm beginning to smell a bigger conspiracy that originally thought . I bet Apple/IBM/M$ . . . . . . . . . maybe even Torvalds is sleeping with the giants . . . . the RIAA and MPAA . |
SurferJoe46 (51) | ||
| 591339 | 2007-09-16 01:53:00 | Hmm, if Apple are trying to keep iPod/iPhone users locked into iTunes (www.tuaw.com), well there's your software-assisted regulation for a similar tech from the Apple camp (despite patents and all)... Correction to your "correction" The iPod supports aac, mp3 codecs etc which means that I can play mp3, aac files etc from Windows on my iPod, Creative Muvo or any other music player that supports those codecs. It is the original DRM on the 128kbps files from the iTunes Music Store that would only play on the iPod on either my PC or Mac. With the introduction of selected DRM free files in the music store this means that you can purchase and download those tracks in iTunes and then export them to any other music playing app if you want to - bit of a convoluted way of doing it but. Apple unlike Microsoft is in a different situation regarding its control over its own hardware and software. As for Linux... the market is probably not big enough for Apple to care about...sorry guys. |
winmacguy (3367) | ||
| 591340 | 2007-09-16 02:02:00 | Missing the point here and attempting to turn this around, I see that if there is any way to meter the number of time you play a certain musical choice and keeping track of IP and the other identifiers whatever they may be . . then it is just a look-see in my personal and private life . I do not want to get a bill in the mail from XYZ Studios because I played their album too many times or did so at a friend's house or in my car across a state line making it a federal offense . Except for downloadable ringtones from the iTunes store, you need to be chasing MS and the RIAA and MPAA although it is likely that Apple will have DRM and a subscription service on its soon to be opened iTunes Movie store and $2 . 99 movies for 30 day rental . |
winmacguy (3367) | ||
| 591341 | 2007-09-16 02:21:00 | WMG - my earlier link was referring to the fact that currently, in order to use a new iPod or iPhone as a personal audio player, you MUST now use iTunes, so not only is it cutting off linux, but also many very usable third party options for iPod syncing, etc. I own an iPod and use iTunes with a good few albums of DRM and non-DRM albums from the iTMS in my library so you don't need to fill me in on the mechanics of that whole process. What my point here was is that even with DRM-less albums up for download, whats the point if you're still locked into using iTunes, I mean that's most of the benefits taken away from DRM-less tracks. |
sal (67) | ||
| 591342 | 2007-09-16 02:23:00 | WMG - my earlier link was referring to the fact that currently, in order to use a new iPod or iPhone as a personal audio player, you MUST now use iTunes, so not only is it cutting off linux, but also many very usable third party options for iPod syncing, etc. Try using the Zune/Zune Music Store with anything other than WMP and a Zune and then get back to me.;) Try playing an XBox 360 game on your PS3 without hacking it or what ever...ditto I am not saying this is right or wrong but what your seeing is a new paradigm of doing business successfully whereby the creator of the product controls/determines access to both the hardware and software in a vertical market. They then build outwards and upwards from the hardware. Apple is proving to be very good at this concept whereas Microsoft is still catching on. |
winmacguy (3367) | ||
| 591343 | 2007-09-16 03:06:00 | With his usual deadly perspicacity wacynimgu hit's the target with a deadly round or 4 of applesauce. | R2x1 (4628) | ||
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