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| Thread ID: 83145 | 2007-09-20 23:04:00 | Climate change caused by man ? | wmoore (6009) | PC World Chat |
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| 593540 | 2007-09-28 12:46:00 | If I can find the motivation I might explain to you how even an increase of 1deg C is causing all sorts of changes to complex eco-systems but for now have a look at this link: www.foxnews.com Nature is a man-made concept, a comforting generalization, the truer picture is something like a large number of overlapping and interacting systems with complex inter-relationships; changes within each of the connected systems cause effects which cannot be predicted very well, since different species have different cues to change their behaviour, and only seem as if they are in synchronization. When large parameters change by a small amount ie temperature, catastrophic breakdowns in the previously stable relationships can occur. |
zqwerty (97) | ||
| 593541 | 2007-09-28 21:16:00 | Sorry Winston - but the notion that there is a consensus is pushed aggressively only by those who wish to close debate. There is definitely no consensus. The IPCC are a joke to be honest - their conclusions weren't consistent with the data observed. Highly controversial in fact...but it suits the current political environment. If you look at the science, there is actually not a thread of evidence from independent, repeatable data to support the theory that man is responsible for global warming. The hysteria will blow over in a few years (one can only hope). |
legod (4626) | ||
| 593542 | 2007-09-28 21:26:00 | MAN-MADE GLOBAL WARMING BITES THE DUST nzclimatescience.net |
legod (4626) | ||
| 593543 | 2007-09-28 22:07:00 | MAN-MADE GLOBAL WARMING BITES THE DUST nzclimatescience.net spotted. Pity there's so much political power tied up in the argument for the other side :groan: |
johcar (6283) | ||
| 593544 | 2007-09-28 22:07:00 | legod: fiddling whilst Rome burns. | zqwerty (97) | ||
| 593545 | 2007-09-28 22:47:00 | If you really want to worry, don't forget to look up ocean acidity due to carbon emmisions :stare: | mmmork (6822) | ||
| 593546 | 2007-09-28 23:03:00 | Well its about 12 degrees outside today and it ain't warm enough! If anyone in Air New Zealand is reading this, I would like to go on the flight to trial bio kero (or whatever it is). A jumbo (especially an empty one) will easily fly on 3 engines. |
dolby digital (5073) | ||
| 593547 | 2007-09-28 23:16:00 | Well spotted. Pity there's so much political power tied up in the argument for the other side :groan: Smoke and mirrors :D And the fact they all have money invested in it. |
intel hunter (6666) | ||
| 593548 | 2007-09-29 03:02:00 | legod: fiddling whilst Rome burns. Are you saying we should spend billions trying to fix a problem that either can't be fixed or doesn't exist? Is it a case of 'panic stations' - we should do something 'just in case'. I don't see the logic or the benefit when none of the proposed solutions to this mythical problem will make a blind bit of difference anyway. The climate is changing constantly. Mankind, if it needs to, should spend money on adapting to a changing environment, if it needs to, and keeping it clean, so we have a hospitable world in the future. I despair with this global warming nonsense because it only serves to divert attention from the real, pressing environmental issues. I'm afraid all these 'green' solutions to combat global warming will do very little for the environment. The rapid growth of the biofuel industry, for example, is potentially disastrous. They will, however, change economies and give more power to the politicians to act out their authority. |
legod (4626) | ||
| 593549 | 2007-09-29 04:52:00 | Sorry Winston - but the notion that there is a consensus is pushed aggressively only by those who wish to close debate. There is definitely no consensus. The IPCC are a joke to be honest - their conclusions weren't consistent with the data observed. Highly controversial in fact...but it suits the current political environment. If you look at the science, there is actually not a thread of evidence from independent, repeatable data to support the theory that man is responsible for global warming. Fair enough. If you go back a year you'd find me saying the same things on this forum but I've changed my mind. There is just too much evidence of man's impact on the planet for us to ignore. For example there is a lot of free CO2 in the environment. What has man been doing for 150 years? Burning oil and coal which took hundreds of millions of years to form. That is a near instant release of locked up carbon. There is nothing natural about it. The acidification of the oceans is the result of inorganic carbon absorption. The result - sea creatures which use calcium carbonate to makes shells and skeletons (shellfish, types of plankton) can't do it anymore. The whole ocean foodchain is going to break down. This isn't wild theory it is just a fact. Check with NIWA, CSIRO, who regularly update acidifcation and the health of microphillia. |
Winston001 (3612) | ||
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