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| Thread ID: 83105 | 2007-09-19 12:16:00 | What do you think of the Government? | george12 (7) | PC World Chat |
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| 592867 | 2007-09-21 06:24:00 | I admire the skinheads for standing up for their views. Especialy the Christchurch ones tedheath Your view = gospel, and should be broadcast for everyone else to agree with Opposing = commie traitor facist and should be banned 1930-40s germany would love you :groan: |
V1sta (6614) | ||
| 592868 | 2007-09-21 07:06:00 | Have to agree with you Winston, but you would probably agree that adhering to "family-friendly" language when discussing politicians and their shenanigans is a big challenge.... :) Very true. And gangs. And some words just arent quite as discriptive or as foward as the big 'F' words. And sometimes it feels great just to get it off your chest without some tree hugger saying to calm down etc, let 'er rip.:2cents: |
rob_on_guitar (4196) | ||
| 592869 | 2007-09-21 08:06:00 | What amuses me is that people criticise politicians but never step up and stand for local councils, community boards, etc etc. Anyone can be a critic from the sidelines. Actually putting yourself out in public and trying to make a difference takes courage and deserves some respect. Having said that I hold some politicians in contempt but nevertheless recognise they do a job which someone has to take on. The other point is that government is controlled to a significant effect by civil servants who can run rings around the pollies. |
Winston001 (3612) | ||
| 592870 | 2007-09-21 08:21:00 | There must be a point though when the average joe bloggs turns evil, like Im sure most of these MPs etc cant have been idiots all their lives could they?:illogical | rob_on_guitar (4196) | ||
| 592871 | 2007-09-21 08:26:00 | What amuses me is that people criticise politicians but never step up and stand for local councils, community boards, etc etc . Anyone can be a critic from the sidelines . Actually putting yourself out in public and trying to make a difference takes courage and deserves some respect . Having said that I hold some politicians in contempt but nevertheless recognise they do a job which someone has to take on . The other point is that government is controlled to a significant effect by civil servants who can run rings around the pollies . Been there - done that . Thankless task, with some memorable (positive) moments . More often like banging your head against a brick wall - nice when you stop! :) And you are so right about the bureaucrats! |
johcar (6283) | ||
| 592872 | 2007-09-21 08:29:00 | I wonder what would happen if the north & south island became a independant country each. What would the beehive do? | rob_on_guitar (4196) | ||
| 592873 | 2007-09-21 11:20:00 | The problem with democracy is that it encourages politicians to pander to the lowest common denominator. Thinking voters do not support a specific party come hell or high water irrespective. It was Churchill, I think, who defined democracy as 10 wise men and 11 idiots. It is the worst system of government apart from all the others, which all rank lower. The Labour party could put up a donkey in Otara, Mangere,Otahuhu and countless others and it would get elected; similarly the National party could field a spastic monkey in Remuera, Karori and Fendalton and it would be elected. The NZ system is unfortunately more flawed than most because we have a unicameral system of government using a double unfair system of selection of MPs, namely First past the post (how many electoral MPs actually get more than 50% of the votes cast) coupled with MMP list members who slip into parliament without actually being voted in as individuals by electors. This becomes seriously suspect when a loathed MP can be dumped by the electorate and remain an MP courtesy of the party list. A single transferable vote ( ie preferential voting) is more honest and fair, thats why MPs don't want a bar of that system, but if NZ must retain `party lists and MMP then it needs a simple modification, a sitting electorate member should not be able to also be on the party list while standing for an electorate- ie they should not get two bites at the cherry - equally a list MP should not have the right to resign from a party, and remain in parliament, because they were not elected to parliament as a named candidate by the voters. Sadly, I can't see the system changing - it suits MPs the way it is - You don't get turkeys voting for Christmas. |
KenESmith (6287) | ||
| 592874 | 2007-09-21 11:46:00 | The Labour party could put up a donkey in Otara, Mangere,Otahuhu and countless others and it would get elected; similarly the National party could field a spastic monkey in Remuera, Karori and Fendalton and it would be elected. This has been proven almost every election since the beginning of time :D |
johcar (6283) | ||
| 592875 | 2007-09-21 22:02:00 | Hi all, Try here:- http://www.explore.parliament.nz/ And for anyone else go find a copy of "Yes Minister" or "Yes Prime Minister" www.yes-minister.com The civil servants actually run New Zealand. Some people go to Parliament with the best of intentions so I will not tar them all with the same brush. Oh and here as well. www.parliament.nz |
Sweep (90) | ||
| 592876 | 2007-09-22 01:27:00 | John Key should be alright hes my MP and I voted for him. He should get more <snip guff> pro Palestinian, anti treaty of waitangi. tedheath Was that a typo about pro Palestinian or are you just totally confused? To support the return of the land to Palestinians in the same sentence as going against the treaty of Waitangi shows a duplicity that borders on the insane, unless you are just an anti-Semitic dullard. |
JackStraw (6573) | ||
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