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| Thread ID: 83110 | 2007-09-19 20:49:00 | Should You Buy a New Mac Mini, iMac or Mac Pro? | pctek (84) | PC World Chat |
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| 592961 | 2007-09-22 01:31:00 | um, has anyone considered that your average "vista capable" PC has integrated graphics that any gamer would laugh at - actually i see on trademe "gaming" pcs with graphics that a quick google reveals won't even run fear on minimum settings so while the average pc is ****loads cheaper than the mac, they aren't exactly shining beacons of graphical goodness either (but you'd think the mac would cost less than it does) and of course that article was just weird... You raise very good points. This forum is full of so called gamers, but I doubt if they actually get much gaming done, seeing the time you see them on pressf1. The average pc comment about being **** loads cheaper is not true, unless we are talking homebuilt. I just read the latest DSE catalogue, the cheaper pc's were well under specced, the one HP that cost more then my imac was also not as well specced. Apple could do a lot by making a low end pc at a low end price, but realistically who has ever been happy with something low end when they purchased it. |
plod (107) | ||
| 592962 | 2007-09-22 01:44:00 | You raise very good points. This forum is full of so called gamers, but I doubt if they actually get much gaming done, seeing the time you see them on pressf1. The average pc comment about being **** loads cheaper is not true, unless we are talking homebuilt. I just read the latest DSE catalogue, the cheaper pc's were well under specced, the one HP that cost more then my imac was also not as well specced. Apple could do a lot by making a low end pc at a low end price, but realistically who has ever been happy with something low end when they purchased it. well DSE isn't exactly known for being cheap.... but you're right apple could (and should) make some low end machines at low end prices. you'd think they'd be making big steps forward what with vista's fail and hardware requirements, but they're squandering this oppurtunity (imo that is, i'm sure there'll be plenty who wish to dispute that) i'm sure there are plently of noobs out there who are happy with their low end system they use soley for browsing/office work.... i mean just look at all the dells at UofA, the ones that need to be are 3ghz with decent graphics, but all the rest are "****ty" low end things that run just fine without any hiccups (and i'm one of those gamers who barely have any time for gaming - but just wait till after exams!) |
motorbyclist (188) | ||
| 592963 | 2007-09-22 04:37:00 | Actually the artcile also says Apple is concentrating on stuff like the iphone. And with all the new bits and pieces Apple has done with Macs, still market share of the computers remains low. Low but very profitable. I saw an article earlier today that said that even though Dell sells 3x more PCs than Apple sells Macs, it makes 1/3 less cash due to the much lower margins on PCs. Apple's Mac sales are actually up buy about 400,000 for the quarter to about 1.3 million units I think. Will know more when the figures come out. |
winmacguy (3367) | ||
| 592964 | 2007-09-22 04:43:00 | well DSE isn't exactly known for being cheap.... but you're right apple could (and should) make some low end machines at low end prices. Firstly I don't think any of the likes of Noel Leeming, Harvey Norman etc are known for "cheap" powerful PCs (compared to home built custom jobs) which means that a lot of their decent mid to upper range PCs are very close price wise to equivalent Macs. Apple is never going to make a low end low budget Mac because the profit margins suck a** and it has NO problems selling its current range as they are. They could probably do with filling in a few gaps in the product range though. |
winmacguy (3367) | ||
| 592965 | 2007-09-22 12:36:00 | First of all, thanks for the post. Similarly, a great way to start looking at PressF1 and spend the rest of the day So that's it then, confirmed. beezwax has no life ;) |
JackStraw (6573) | ||
| 592966 | 2007-09-23 02:33:00 | So that's it then, confirmed. beeswax has no life ;) What I mean was that it was a nice way to spend the rest of the day thinking about how crappy Macs are. |
beeswax34 (63) | ||
| 592967 | 2007-09-24 05:17:00 | Macs are overpriced majorly, but I cant see what makes them crappy. I'm a windows user and have been my whole life, I've used Macs before and unless I needed one for a specific need - I wouldn’t get one. I think if Apple lowered their prices so their Desktops and Laptops were slightly closer to those of major OEM's, more people would consider making the switch. But for the hardware, they are very very over priced - on the other hand, you get software which is actually useful - and something other than Windows. I wouldn't consider buying one of their desktops because I know I can build an absolute top of the line Windows box for half the price of a Mac Pro - but I don’t think that makes them crappy - it makes Apple stupid. |
Enigmur (10547) | ||
| 592968 | 2007-09-24 07:38:00 | it makes Apple stupid. best thing i've heard all day:lol: |
motorbyclist (188) | ||
| 592969 | 2007-09-24 08:20:00 | Macs are overpriced majorly, but I cant see what makes them crappy. I'm a windows user and have been my whole life, I've used Macs before and unless I needed one for a specific need - I wouldn’t get one. I think if Apple lowered their prices so their Desktops and Laptops were slightly closer to those of major OEM's, more people would consider making the switch. But for the hardware, they are very very over priced - on the other hand, you get software which is actually useful - and something other than Windows. I wouldn't consider buying one of their desktops because I know I can build an absolute top of the line Windows box for half the price of a Mac Pro - but I don’t think that makes them crappy - it makes Apple stupid. It is not entirely surprising that Apple do not try to sell to the lowest bidder when they are selling heaps of the stuff at the exaggerated price, but it speaks volumes about the buyers who do not have a specific need. It is rather pleasant we all have a choice, whatever our reason for following a particular path. Rabid zealots of any persuasion have a tendency to make it easier to understand why boiling in oil and other similar therapy was in favour in the good old days. |
R2x1 (4628) | ||
| 592970 | 2007-09-25 06:35:00 | I think if Apple lowered their prices so their Desktops and Laptops were slightly closer to those of major OEM's, more people would consider making the switch. But for the hardware, they are very very over priced - on the other hand, you get software which is actually useful - and something other than Windows. I wouldn't consider buying one of their desktops because I know I can build an absolute top of the line Windows box for half the price of a Mac Pro - but I don’t think that makes them crappy - it makes Apple stupid. Apparently the new MacBooks that are due out very early next year are going to be "aggressively priced" according to Apple. As for Apple selling overpriced Macs ... in NZ more so although they are no where near as bad as they used to be compared to equivalent store bought PCs from the likes of HP, Lenovo etc. In the US, feature for feature they are actually very competitive in price. For the record any PC builder can build a PC cheaper than Apple builds their Macs - just ask Micheal Dell, but not anyone can build and sell a PC like Apple builds and sells their Macs with the same kind of design and hardware integration and profit margins which is where Apple is very successful and the rest of PC builders are now trying to get to. |
winmacguy (3367) | ||
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