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Thread ID: 83160	2007-09-21 14:38:00	List of countries by current account balance	zqwerty (97)	PC World Chat

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593789	2007-09-22 08:49:00	I saw nothing that I could have brought NZ-made. You must live in a pretty spartan room. What about the carpet, wallpaper, curtains, sets of drawers, bed, mattress, furniture. However, I agree that it is a lot worse than it used to be and if Douglas/Prebble hadn't killed half the local businesses off overnight, maybe we could have had things differently today.	decibel (11645)
593790	2007-09-22 08:56:00	George, my post was in response to you asking what the benefit to NZ would have been if you had not bought Chinese made items.	beeswax34 (63)
593791	2007-09-23 09:33:00	George, my post was in response to you asking what the benefit to NZ would have been if you had not bought Chinese made items. I meant not buying them at all, which I thought was what Dally meant. I understand how buying NZ-made instead helps. But choosing NOT to buy, say, an MP3 player at all doesn't help, does it? If anything buying a chinese-made MP3 player makes profit for the NZ-run store I buy it from. I'm assuming here that there is no such thing as an NZ-made MP3 player, which there isn't. You must live in a pretty spartan room. What about the carpet, wallpaper, curtains, sets of drawers, bed, mattress, furniture. I'm 17, and live with my parents, and so I've never bought any of that. It actually didn't cross my mind at all. I admit that when I shop for things like clothes, I pay no attention to where it's made, and I suppose I should.	george12 (7)
593792	2007-09-23 11:39:00	Yes, but any profit that the NZ retailer makes will be dwarfed by the actual cost of the co. buying the product and shipping it to NZ/the store.	beeswax34 (63)
593793	2007-09-23 12:40:00	The rationale for ceasing to manufacture a large number of commodities in NZ was that they could be sourced cheaper from overseas, certainly true, but for everything that we buy that is imported we have to sell NZ commodities overseas to pay for them, and the other downside was that although the imported goods were procured at significantly lower cost in Asia. the "savings" were not generally handed onto the consumer, they became reflected in larger profits for the importer and retailer. Chinese made shirts, branded Pierre Cardin, Yves St Laurent etc etc retailing at $120, but having a landed cost of less than 20% of the retail cost, same for sports shoes. Food of doubtful quality and safety imported, the list is endless. Furniture being imported en mass and NZ work skills diminishing. I have no argument about importing hi tech products that can only be efficiently manufactured in expensive facilities with economies of scale, but it has gone too far with just about every damn thing being imported at the cost of jobs at home. The social cost and long term consequences of this should be part of the equation, but this is conveniently ignored by those reaping the profits.	KenESmith (6287)
593794	2007-09-24 01:03:00	So if we mugged a billionaire we would be ok?	rob_on_guitar (4196)
593795	2007-09-24 03:32:00	Some things we should make here. Eg what about A4 paper that we use by the truckful. It used to be made here in the South Island from local beech trees. NZ is full of trees. Now it all comes in from Indonesia (or Australia). And we do not know what sort of trees they are using or what bleach etc they use. So when the factory closed down we lost jobs, taxes, overseas funds and paper only dropped $ 2.00 a ream ! Regards Digby	Digby (677)
593796	2007-09-24 04:50:00	I wonder how much of our deficit is just sitting in Used Car yards? :rolleyes: Every town and city seems to have an abundance of used vehicles that have been imported and are just sitting doing nothing. :groan:	B.M. (505)
593797	2007-09-24 05:02:00	Some things we should make here. Eg what about A4 paper that we use by the truckful. It used to be made here in the South Island from local beech trees. NZ is full of trees. Now it all comes in from Indonesia (or Australia). And we do not know what sort of trees they are using or what bleach etc they use. So when the factory closed down we lost jobs, taxes, overseas funds and paper only dropped $ 2.00 a ream ! Regards Digby It might have dropped by "only" $2 but thats because it costs SO MUCH to ship items here. And also $2 times the no. of boxes a large company uses is nothing to sneeze at.	beeswax34 (63)
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