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| Thread ID: 83145 | 2007-09-20 23:04:00 | Climate change caused by man ? | wmoore (6009) | PC World Chat |
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| 593630 | 2007-10-05 22:25:00 | Motorcyclist could you please direct me to the article I never read? :D The NASA article I did read made no mention of “Man Made Global Warming”. no but it did explain that 750million "error" I note that even in this small poll there are more that take the negative view in the proposition that "Climate Change is Man Made". not long ago we all thought the world was flat too, and i also voted no on that poll, as man's actions are only compounding and accellerating a cycle of warming. in retrospect i should've voted yes and not been so tied up in semantics |
motorbyclist (188) | ||
| 593631 | 2007-10-05 22:26:00 | www.goma.demon.co.uk Quite a few clever cartoons here LOL however, somewhat more fitting to this thread would be this www.goma.demon.co.uk edit (and for all the carbon tax fans out there: www.chrismadden.co.uk) |
motorbyclist (188) | ||
| 593632 | 2007-10-05 23:07:00 | i'm thinking of all the other gases that are a result of burning fossil fuels, including carbon monoxide, nitrous oxides, ozone, hydrocarbons, sulphur, "fine particulates" and more we don't see much of it here in nz, but in many major cities around the world they do (and when you can see it, you know it's gotta be bad) Au contraire, mon Ami! The stuff you can see is usually shed out of the lungs by the flagellum and are expedited either into the stomach or coughed out through the mouth . The stuff you CANNOT see like nitrous oxide . . . this is a silent and invisible killer . I have COPD and the NO2 here in this stinky valley is the cause of almost all my pulmonary problems . NO2 lies close to the ground and smothers us by denying us access to oxygen . Weakness, out-of-breath, hurting chest and lungs, blurry vision and all . . . it's basically the stuff you cannot see that hurts the most . The larger hydrocarbonous molecules are readily expelled from the body . . . so they aren't really the biggest problem . . . just the one that people see and therefor blame . |
SurferJoe46 (51) | ||
| 593633 | 2007-10-05 23:33:00 | Au contraire, mon Ami! The stuff you can see is usually shed out of the lungs by the flagellum and are expedited either into the stomach or coughed out through the mouth . The stuff you CANNOT see like nitrous oxide . . . this is a silent and invisible killer . I have COPD and the NO2 here in this stinky valley is the cause of almost all my pulmonary problems . NO2 lies close to the ground and smothers us by denying us access to oxygen . Weakness, out-of-breath, hurting chest and lungs, blurry vision and all . . . it's basically the stuff you cannot see that hurts the most . The larger hydrocarbonous molecules are readily expelled from the body . . . so they aren't really the biggest problem . . . just the one that people see and therefor blame . yes very true, that is what i was hinting at; that once you can physically see the pollution ( . wikipedia . org/wiki/Image:Beijing_smog_comparison_August_2005 . png" target="_blank">en . wikipedia . org) you know it's bad, but here in nz we dont see it so we don't realise the damage we do to ourselves while parked on the motorway for 2 hours each day, nor the possibility that outside our tiny village great mammoths of nations work to produce incomprehensible amounts of all things known and unknown to man |
motorbyclist (188) | ||
| 593634 | 2007-10-06 11:13:00 | I claim dumbness here . . . what is inorganic carbon? Maybe diamonds? I thought ALL carbon was organic and therefor qualified anything with it, as a constituent, organic . Darned it . . . a new curve to learn! :( I forgot to answer this Joe - apologies . No - all carbon is not Organic . You are exactly right about diamond, graphite, charcoal etc . CO2 is an Inorganic carbon compound . No hydrogen bond . Almost all "organic carbon" has carbon-hydrogen bonds, while all "inorganic carbon" does not have carbon-hydrogen bonds . The significance is the chemistry the different molecules can undertake when mixed in the environment . You'll be aware of my concern regarding acidification of the oceans . That occurs because CO2 reacts with seawater to produce a slightly acid compound . Organic carbon has other effects on organic molecules . For example, consider that beer in your hand and your brain cells . . . . . . :D |
Winston001 (3612) | ||
| 593635 | 2007-10-06 11:25:00 | Why Climate Change Can't Be Stopped: www.foreignpolicy.com |
zqwerty (97) | ||
| 593636 | 2007-10-06 11:50:00 | can't be stopped? it's manmade component can always be stopped... firstly, there IS existing "clean" technology out there, and taxes are trying to make the alternatives more attractive secondly, the earth can only support so many people at such a quality of life, and currently we've exceeded that limit. perhaps less people, or lower expectations, would be a solution? but of course, who want's to limit their own economic - and therefore financial - success? sometimes we do have to stop and ask why we're even here on this earth, what we're doing to it, why we're doing it, and what we want to acheive/get out of it? surely survival of the species and/or chasing eternal life (for the religious out there) should not require us to consume all we can? do we really need widescreen tv? do we really need any of this? it seems half of modern life's problems are caused by modern life itself |
motorbyclist (188) | ||
| 593637 | 2007-10-06 12:11:00 | Yes, the answer is drastic reduction of the world's population, do you want to volunteer first? Either way, if we don't do something it will happen anyway. If we don't do it ourselves outside forces will do it for us. This happens to any population of creatures which have bred to saturation point. | zqwerty (97) | ||
| 593638 | 2007-10-06 12:13:00 | The immediate outlook for human reduction in environmental waste is grim. I totally agree that there are too many people. The problem is how to stop more being born and reduce the poulation to about 2 billion. The need for each of us to propogate our genes is primary and hardwired into us. The other problem is inequality. We in the West have most of the wealth. The poor of the world want to catch up and why shouldn't they? The fact that in doing so most of our grandchildren may die doesn't mean much in the here and now. I'm quite certain the humans will reach a technological level where greenhouse emissions are a thing of the past. There will be food and energy to burn. But before that happens there could be, probably will be, mass starvation, wars, all manner of calamity because the planet can't carry us all. |
Winston001 (3612) | ||
| 593639 | 2007-10-06 12:32:00 | Yep, I hope not, but I think we are in for some serious heart-ache, sooner rather than later, if we have any empathy for all the people in the overcrowded countries. We should be ok here, but I have seen evidence of large scale glaciation in my drives just out of Christchurch, terminal moraines and other glaciation features I was taught about at school all those years ago in Africa. I estimate the glaciers must have been about 250 meters thick, don't know how long ago though. We should have plenty of fish to eat anyway. haha. | zqwerty (97) | ||
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