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| Thread ID: 83145 | 2007-09-20 23:04:00 | Climate change caused by man ? | wmoore (6009) | PC World Chat |
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| 593550 | 2007-09-29 05:30:00 | Well put Winston . . . and I agree with most of what you say . . . . . there are a lot of other things to consider however . Most people don't see that there is really some good science involved here; they deny it because they are personally affected in the pocketbook . I think some people are also put off by the phoney science and yellow press of so-called professionals who only have a personal or paid ax to grind . I'll speak of the R12 industry f'rinstance . . . . . . Freon12 was reported as devastating to the ozone level in the stratosphere . That was a big lie . Monsanto was losing the exclusive patent on the R12, and engineered the purported danger which the tree-huggers used as a rallying point . . they got fooled . They also fooled a lot of normally smart people . Tell me how Ozone at 40- to 60,000 feet up in the atmosphere was affected by a heavier-that-air element that could not and would not travel to damage the ozone . Ozone is unstable anyway . . it won't survive much catalyzing sunshine and Brownian activity . Don't speak about floating chlorine atoms either . . they are basically unstable and gather other atoms to round out and correct their valence losing their structure and chemical name . It was political . . or worse: it was $$$ . Now, they're finding that R134a damages germinating seeds at ground level . What next? Back to ammonia refrigeration? No way! It's too dangerous in the hands of mere humans without refrigeration intelligence . R12 never was a problem; Monsanto and the confused/fooled tree-hugger dupes are . Thinking and intelligent people who notice this inconsistency from then on deny the real issues as they think all the doomsayers are therefor suspect from that point . You can't blame people from not wanting to be fooled repeatedly . |
SurferJoe46 (51) | ||
| 593551 | 2007-09-29 06:17:00 | UK Government in Court over Gore Environment Film ( . google . com/group/alt . global-warming/browse_thread/thread/578d06c4066a0a8d/11ab442098949173" target="_blank">groups . google . com) LONDON (Reuters) - A truck driver took the British government to court on Thursday over a decision to send copies of former U . S . Vice President Al Gore's global warming film to secondary schools as part of its climate change campaign . Retreat of the warmists begins to accelerate ( . telegraph . co . uk/news/main . jhtml?xml=/news/2007/09/09/nbook109 . xml" target="_blank">www . telegraph . co . uk) Inconveniently, the 1930s were the hottest decade ( . telegraph . co . uk/news/main . jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/19/nbook119 . xml" target="_blank">www . telegraph . co . uk) New Peer-Reviewed Scientific Studies Chill Global Warming Fears ( . senate . gov/public/index . cfm?FuseAction=Minority . Blogs&ContentRecord_id=84e9e44a-802a-23ad-493a-b35d0842fed8&Issue_id=" target="_blank">epw . senate . gov) An abundance of new peer-reviewed studies, analysis, and data error discoveries has prompted scientists to declare that fear of catastrophic man-made global warming “bites the dust” and the scientific underpinnings for alarm may be “falling apart . |
legod (4626) | ||
| 593552 | 2007-09-29 06:29:00 | Jeremy Clarkson on the environment driving.timesonline.co.uk I love some bloke's comment at the end: "Last week I managed to reduce my carbon dioxide output by only breathing in. Unfortunately this was offset by the ambulance which came to get me." |
legod (4626) | ||
| 593553 | 2007-09-29 06:33:00 | Tell me how Ozone at 40- to 60,000 feet up in the atmosphere was affected by a heavier-that-air element that could not and would not travel to damage the ozone. Ozone is unstable anyway..it won't survive much catalyzing sunshine and Brownian activity. ever heard of diffusion? wind? warm air rising from the earths surface? how did the "heavier than air" ozone get/stay up there in the first place? and CO2? by your reasoning the first 100m or so of the atmosphere should be CO2 and little else and the process by which ozone (O3) is broken down into normal oxygen gas (O2) by UV rays is how it protects us from said rays. if we go and also destroy it with CFCs it's no surprise we get a big hole opening up, and again no surprise when australia and NZ situated under said hole have the world's highest skin cancer rates (and yes, UV does cause skin cancer) and brownian motion just describes the random path taken by small particles (like atoms in a gas) - unless brownian "activity" is meant to be something else.... |
motorbyclist (188) | ||
| 593554 | 2007-09-29 15:37:00 | I worked as an expediter for a cryogenic gasses company when I was first starting in junior college . . . circa 1964 or so, and the chief cryogenic physicist told me then that the wind currents and rising less dense air masses made it astronomically (numerically) impossible for CFCs to rise to the upper atmosphere . . . ever more so by the heated rarification and molecular dispersion from the heated/expanded gasses . He showed me by extrapolation and using liquid helium as an experiment, that there could not be entrainment or even friendly bonding of adversarial elements into that fantasy of an elevator ride to the stratos by CFCs that was being proffered by the cusptide of opinion by people who should know better, but were willing to embrace voodoo science trying to explain the dearth of ozone in the sky . Dr Yockey, that physicist, told me then that there'd be people, LEARN-ed people, with grandiose handwaves that would dismiss years of physics and real educations by knee-jerk theories that cannot hold the proverbial water . These same people, he theorized, would be the cutting edge know-it-alls who would destroy logic and ritualistic centuries of observations with obtuse logic and socially acceptable remedies that would further cloud and obscure the truth . This is just cyclic and since people don't live centuries to actually see all and tell all, goes unobserved and therefor by the same logic, deadly and of negative impact to life on Earth . . . . and don't we see the Chicken-Littles running around trying to fix something that ain't necessarily broke? Man makes little impact on the Earth . . . maybe a few Inca ruins or a lot of tarmac and tall buildings, but I feel it's a gnat on the back of the fabled elephant . . . and we actually do very little to the Earth in the ways being touted by "experts" . I humbly await flames of contention . . . . |
SurferJoe46 (51) | ||
| 593555 | 2007-09-29 18:57:00 | Great links legod and I’m right with you Joe :thumbs: | B.M. (505) | ||
| 593556 | 2007-09-29 21:08:00 | . . . and don't we see the Chicken-Littles running around trying to fix something that ain't necessarily broke? Please don't tell me the sky's falling :D, but I am with you too Joe |
intel hunter (6666) | ||
| 593557 | 2007-09-29 22:17:00 | Guys, read my lips "THE NORTH WEST PASSAGE IS OPEN FOR THE FIRST TIME IN LIVING MEMORY", this means you can sail up to Canada and then go between the North American Landmass and the Arctic ICE Pack and come out into the Pacific Ocean, because the size of the ice pack has reduced dramatically in the last two years, faster than has been predicted by the most pessimistic forcasts. We know this has not been the case for tens of thousands of years. | zqwerty (97) | ||
| 593558 | 2007-09-29 22:45:00 | Guys, read my lips "THE NORTH WEST PASSAGE IS OPEN FOR THE FIRST TIME IN LIVING MEMORY", this means you can sail up to Canada and then go between the North American Landmass and the Arctic ICE Pack and come out into the Pacific Ocean, because the size of the ice pack has reduced dramatically in the last two years, faster than has been predicted by the most pessimistic forcasts . We know this has not been the case for tens of thousands of years . Must have had Global Warming back in 1903 when Roald Amundsen navigated the North West passage? :waughh: And I wonder why it was called a passage? :confused: Also, for the records, I wouldn’t have crossed the Waikato River in the Ship he did it in . :D |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 593559 | 2007-09-29 23:09:00 | zqwerty - one word. Hysteria. |
legod (4626) | ||
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