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| Thread ID: 144190 | 2017-08-07 02:46:00 | Build more roads - forget buslanes and cycleways | Digby (677) | PC World Chat |
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| 1438069 | 2017-08-08 20:38:00 | Digby, have you not noticed how competive Tauranga is in the congestion stakes? The Editor of our local paper sums it up well. HERE (www.sunlive.co.nz) Yes, what he says is so true. The council should not let development go ahead until the roads are there. There are huge jams at Greerton with its pathetic dinky roundabout, and they keep building more houses at Pyes Pa and the Lakes, many of who want to go to the city to work etc. Get rid of all the bus subsidies and build motorways like Waterview. Or make all councillors use bikes and buses during the week. |
Digby (677) | ||
| 1438070 | 2017-08-08 21:08:00 | Get rid of all the bus subsidies and build motorways like Waterview. You would remove incentives to use an efficient form of transport and build the least efficient transport network possible? :lol: | pcuser42 (130) | ||
| 1438071 | 2017-08-08 22:49:00 | You would remove incentives to use an efficient form of transport and build the least efficient transport network possible? :lol: If so efficient , then why do buses & trains run at a huge loss. There is no way they are economically viable without masses of $ pumped into them. efficient , pfft . A black hole of never ending council & govt topups . |
1101 (13337) | ||
| 1438072 | 2017-08-08 23:51:00 | Not very efficient in Auckland this morning. | CliveM (6007) | ||
| 1438073 | 2017-08-09 00:34:00 | You would remove incentives to use an efficient form of transport and build the least efficient transport network possible? :lol: You mean the motor car, one of the world best inventions, that every poor person in the world desires, after a washing machine and microwave and phone? Buses are great in big populated areas, where people live in one area and work in an adjacent area. As I said we have subsidized buses here in Tauranga driving round all day with only one or two people in them. (including the driver) that is really efficient |
Digby (677) | ||
| 1438074 | 2017-08-09 00:59:00 | If so efficient , then why do buses & trains run at a huge loss. There is no way they are economically viable without masses of $ pumped into them. efficient , pfft . A black hole of never ending council & govt topups . Na, what's required is an efficient rapid transport system catering to the largest possible user base, Even if it is subsidised, then the roads will be less congested for those for whom the public transport is impractical. Only by subsidising it to the point that it is the cheapest option, will you get the required uptake. |
KarameaDave (15222) | ||
| 1438075 | 2017-08-09 01:51:00 | If so efficient , then why do buses & trains run at a huge loss. There is no way they are economically viable without masses of $ pumped into them. efficient , pfft . A black hole of never ending council & govt topups . There is virtually no public transport system in the world that runs at a profit, and yet they all provide environmental and social benefits greater than their cost - i.e. people getting to work faster because they don't have to sit in congestion. Buses and trains are more efficient because they can move more people in the same amount of space. It's not just about the money :) | pcuser42 (130) | ||
| 1438076 | 2017-08-09 02:08:00 | There is virtually no public transport system in the world that runs at a profit, and yet they all provide environmental and social benefits greater than their cost - i.e. people getting to work faster because they don't have to sit in congestion. Buses and trains are more efficient because they can move more people in the same amount of space. It's not just about the money :)You might be wrong there. I would say every company running public transportation is making a profit. This is of course at the expense of the rates payer | plod (107) | ||
| 1438077 | 2017-08-09 02:20:00 | i.e. people getting to work faster because they don't have to sit in congestion. Buses and trains are more efficient because they can move more people in the same amount of space. It's not just about the money :) Both simply not true . Cherry picking to suit (I'll do the same , below) If I caught the bus to work , it would take much much longer to where I currently work (north shore) When I worked near the CBD , sure the bus was quick into town, but then it was a 30-45 minute walk from there to work. Many either live too far from bus stops , or work too far from bus stops. Just the way Ak is. Trains dont move more people. Rip up the tracks & replace with roads & you'll see just how many more can jam into that space taken by the tracks. Buses, sure. A full bus is efficient diesel & space wise . But not efficient at all if you look at true cost . We cant keep pretending that NZ buses & trains arnt ridiculously expensive to setup, run & maintain. A black hold of a money pit. And look at all the buses that are no where near full. Theres the efficiency totally gone . An uber would be better than a bus with 4 people in it, perhaps fund that instead. And yep, when I had to use the bus, 1/2 the route of the bus only had 4 people (or less) on the home trip. Trains & tracks are last centuries tech. Time to relegate them into the past . Too many trainspotters with nostalgic notions of trains . :-) |
1101 (13337) | ||
| 1438078 | 2017-08-09 04:47:00 | While I can appreciate where you are coming from there are other considerations. Rail may not be all that practical around a city but is still the best method for large volume freight, rip up the tracks and be prepared to be driving among trucks every time you go on a long trip. And remove buses and you are denying a whole section of the population from their only form of affordable transport, won't bother me but I can see that not being popular. I'm lucky in a way, there are about 3 bus stops within 500M of my house, one is directly across the road. Last time I had to get home from town without my car (eye specialist frowns on driving after they dilate your pupils) I hopped on a bus and it delivered me to my door - and there a lot more than 4 people on it so I guess in Hamilton at least the public transport is used pretty well. And as a cyclist I rather like cycleways - without them I would be driving to work every day but I ride my bike more than 80% of the time because there happens to be a cycleway for most of the route and I can stay out of traffic. I notice more and more bike traffic on it since I've been riding - about 18 months. |
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