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Thread ID: 144162	2017-07-27 01:45:00	What do they mean by "NZ a low wage economy"	Digby (677)	PC World Chat

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1437704	2017-07-28 09:35:00	You can't cannot assume Job Seekers on WINZ benefits have never worked. Indeed some have worked for decades, but because of their skill set (or lack of), perhaps no longer fit the profile anymore and are let go. Or pushed aside in more passive though unstable employable - on/off roles. I seen that. A office full of aging engineers, technicians, and similar - at least until the company is wound down, merged, or sold off. As long as Job Seeker beneficiaries are actively Job seeking relevant roles, but also following up - including for unsuccessful roles, and generating/updating a relevant targeted realistic CV. If not successful, then need to scope down - narrow the field to try adjust to lower paid or roles previously out of their comfort zone. Companies may not require experienced Job Seekers/candidates (particularly WINZ clients) anymore, but rather train in-house from lessor experienced and younger ones. Some young managers have told me that - I have come across this recently. Older employed folk - will likely stay - perhaps denying younger ones in their roles. Senior staff are becoming much younger today,and from what I have seen are more amenable to younger vibrant staff, in certain roles. Recruitment agencies help full the gaps, by generally signing up youner/able ones, if only initially as casuals, then on 3 months trials - sometimes I heard perpetually in some companies. Vast choice off employables (...er immigrants too) to wring through. But much more is expected from employees today - more hours and tasks rotation, adaptable to multi-tasking, tasks beyond one's core skills, for a wage/salary, not largely different in real terms than some 30 years back, but perhaps more demanding, unstable, and barely adequate, and least not satisfying perhaps..	kahawai chaser (3545)
1437705	2017-07-28 11:09:00	With a living wage these will no longer be underpaid jobs, as you should be able to figure out for yourself! Total fail that one because the skilled people above them will expect and get relativity so they get more. Inflation will kick in destroying any benefits of the increase to the low pay earners. Your Utopia is the former USSR where a Cosmonaut and a Moscow bus driver got paid the same. The low wages in NZ are solely because employers can get a migrant to work for bugger all.	prefect (6291)
1437706	2017-07-28 11:17:00	The low wages in NZ are solely because employers can get a migrant to work for bugger all. Exactly why that will have to change. The tired, disproven neoliberal rubbish this govt espouses is rapidly being seen for the smoke and mirrors it is.	KarameaDave (15222)
1437707	2017-07-28 12:16:00	Whenever the economy is "Doing Well" it has a bit of a rude effect on those being economised. 40 or 50 years ago a man would work around 40 hours a week, his wife normally raised the kids and did an amazing job, most people aspired to buy a house with a reasonable hope of doing so. One income supported one family, people lamented the monstrous tax hikes every year on beer and tobacco and the country had a standard of living in the top 5. Since then we have had a great deal more economists, accountants, lawyers and politicians. A single income supports a single person, quite a large number of married couples cannot manage too well on only two incomes, so lots of overtime or multiple jobs are required with no hope of ever owning a home. We do have a lot of millionaires, and certain noisy classes of people also have obscenely large salaries compared to the ones available to those whose efforts are the means of paying those salaries. To prevent the lower paid members of an organisation becoming disheartened at their low salary, migrants or machines can take over those dead end jobs and solve that inequality. No worry, the economy and CEOs are doing well.	R2x1 (4628)
1437708	2017-07-28 20:24:00	Indeed some have worked for decades, but because of their skill set (or lack of), perhaps no longer fit the profile anymore and are let go. Or pushed aside in more passive though unstable employable - on/off roles. A office full of aging engineers, technicians, and similar - at least until the company is wound down, merged, or sold off. . Yep. Guy at my sons work, 59, been there for ages, and they are trying to get rid of him. He had some time off last year after a heart attack, so he's history. Son feels bad for him. If you don't own your own or are in a senior role once you get to "old", it's damn hard to get work. At all.	pctek (84)
1437709	2017-07-28 21:16:00	Total fail that one because the skilled people above them will expect and get relativity so they get more. Inflation will kick in destroying any benefits of the increase to the low pay earners. Your Utopia is the former USSR where a Cosmonaut and a Moscow bus driver got paid the same. The low wages in NZ are solely because employers can get a migrant to work for bugger all. I know several older people who are stuck on Winz because they lost their jobs and being over 60 have zero chance of being employed again, yet Winz still make them apply for jobs they are never going to be offered, so yes your cruddy National led system is working so well	gary67 (56)
1437710	2017-07-28 22:24:00	I know several older people who are stuck on Winz because they lost their jobs and being over 60 have zero chance of being employed again, yet Winz still make them apply for jobs they are never going to be offered, so yes your cruddy National led system is working so well They cant get a job because their skill set isnt in demand. If they could drive a bus, digger, scraper, roller or truck class 4 and class 5 trailer, fix any of the fore mentioned they will get a job till they drop. A lot of employers would hire an old White European over a young prick who will be playing on his phone all day and will bounce jobs like a kangaroo. If that same person was to apply as a burger flipper, a shop keep, stupid office worker he would like totally bum out and not even make the interview stage. So what to do you f***** do when you get old and out of work? retrain where the jobs are. Go to digger school in the Waikato never worry about a job again. On a side note one of my sons is a disappointment to me instead of being an machinery operator of repairer he is in his 4th year of medical school he wants to be a GP.	prefect (6291)
1437711	2017-07-28 22:34:00	Old people CAN get jobs, just look at Bunnings and Mitre 10, lots of older people there.	Digby (677)
1437712	2017-07-28 22:48:00	Old people CAN get jobs, just look at Bunnings and Mitre 10, lots of older people there. Too true squire, I wonder if they a Zimmerman frame park?	prefect (6291)
1437713	2017-07-29 07:55:00	A lot of employers would hire an old White European over a young prick who will be playing on his phone all day . Sons work, who are getting rid of the old guy have one of those too. Son his boss. Got in trouble cause he shouted at prick the other day. Not allowed to fire him, god knows why.	pctek (84)
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