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| Thread ID: 144127 | 2017-07-19 23:25:00 | I do wish global warming woudl hurry up and come to NZ. | Digby (677) | PC World Chat |
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| 1437377 | 2017-07-20 08:12:00 | I looked at that Nasa chart. By having a scale of 2 degrees they make it look worse than it is. The map is just rubbish. To my eyes, there is more dark blue (cooler) than dark red (warmer). And did they have good temperature readings all over the world back in the 18 and 1900's? |
Digby (677) | ||
| 1437378 | 2017-07-20 20:47:00 | If the Climate Change people were really worried about global warming and wanted to do something about it. The only answer is to start reducing the worlds population NOW, so that "we" need less energy and consume less. So my answer would be the immediate introduction of two children per female only. After that COMPULSORY sterilsation for these females. . I agree with that, not sure 2 would do it. But antibiotic resistance may do. We need 6 billion less of us. |
pctek (84) | ||
| 1437379 | 2017-07-20 22:23:00 | And did they have good temperature readings all over the world back in the 18 and 1900's? And theres the issue . Non one has temp data going back 2 thousand years. The UK used to be much warmer in the past (deduced by the type of animals & plants that used be be there) , now its colder than it was pre-man . Global colding , caused by man. See how easy it is to cheery pick evidence The 'scientists' have been caught manipulating data to suit. The warming propagandists rely on the old "I know best , you are stupid" arguement , as used in this thread . Perhaps that shows the true level of reasoning of the propagandists . The "all the scientists agree" is still thrown out there, totally ignoring the fact that is blatantly untrue. Thats the level warming propagandists will go to. What happened to all the Pacific Islands that would be underwater by now... didnt happen. Dont ignore predictions that turn out to be wildly wrong Yes man has deforested a high % of the planet. Yes CO2 from burning is higher now than ever in the past (deduced from artic ice core samples) But please, some sanity in this debate. The I now better, all scientists agree , your arguement is stupid level of debate from the warming propagandists just shows to many how thin their arguments are. Call those who disagree "deniers" , subtlety comparing them to Holocaust deniers.... if thats the level of emotive propaganda that one side will stoop too..... :banana Lets not pretend that the earths temp doesnt naturally go up over time & down regardless of what man did (even when humans didnt exist) |
1101 (13337) | ||
| 1437380 | 2017-07-20 22:34:00 | Here's the thing, some scientists really are that concerned. A lot of them also think it's already too late and we just have to ride it out and see what happens. Either way it's widely agreed that all the steps being taken to attempt to minimise the damage while good in intent are too little, too late. The largest problem with any attempt to fix anything is that it goes against our own nature as a race. We put ourselves first ahead of everything else and we can't help it. Therefore the only fix that occurs naturally is us building and building in numbers until an eventual disaster devastates whole populations at a time. We can recognise this about ourselves and attempt to make changes, or we can just carry on and let nature take it's course - taking a lot of it with us in the process. Here's an example about what I mean with Human nature, exaggerated in an attempt to illustrate a point. Imagine you are faced with a rare endangered animal and you know if it dies it will seriously impact the eco system leading to thousands of deaths, not just of animals but people as well. If that animal tries to kill you and you have a gun but no way to escape do you let it or do you kill it? Even worse, it's about to kill your child and you have no time to do anything but shoot it, do you? Of course you do, I would too. Almost everyone would, because as humans in the moment our own lives and the lives of our children outweigh every other concern. On the larger scale though we are doing that all the time without really even realising it. |
dugimodo (138) | ||
| 1437381 | 2017-07-20 23:19:00 | I dont really believe that man hasnt had any effect on the climate I'm just sick of the BS , sick of the cherry picking of data, sick of the claims that there are no valid counter arguements . Claims that its 100% proven . No one knows what will actaually happen in 20-50-100 years . Global Warming studies & research is big business , there is a real conflict of interest & a bias to the extent that some institutions will not tolerate descenting opinions from their staff. We will never get to know the truth. We only get cherry picked studies & propganda from both sides of the arguement. There are plenty of scientists who believe that the warming isnt going to be the disaster so many claim. Image if Russia & ex Soviet lands warmed up enough to have 100x the food production . If its too late , why all the fuss . Why not just carry on as is . |
1101 (13337) | ||
| 1437382 | 2017-07-21 01:42:00 | Here's an example about what I mean with Human nature, exaggerated in an attempt to illustrate a point. Imagine you are faced with a rare endangered animal and you know if it dies it will seriously impact the eco system leading to thousands of deaths, not just of animals but people as well. If that animal tries to kill you and you have a gun but no way to escape do you let it or do you kill it? Even worse, it's about to kill your child and you have no time to do anything but shoot it, do you? Of course you do, I would too. Almost everyone would, because as humans in the moment our own lives and the lives of our children outweigh every other concern. On the larger scale though we are doing that all the time without really even realising it. Worse than that, I saw a news item on tv yesterday that showed there are now only 3 White Southern Rhinos left in the wild. Three! If I could I would personally shoot those poaching bastards. And the people that buy their horns. |
Digby (677) | ||
| 1437383 | 2017-07-21 09:19:00 | Have you been possessed by BM, Digby? | Whenu (9358) | ||
| 1437384 | 2017-07-21 09:27:00 | Stupidity knows no bounds: www.independent.co.uk |
zqwerty (97) | ||
| 1437385 | 2017-07-21 11:06:00 | Lighten up a bit, Nick. This probably is more Digby's dry humour albeit prefaced with a debatable belief. To which he is entitled. He's entitled to have his belief, I'm equally entitled to call it out for being a load of sh*t. I can't say I understand people who rely and trust in the results of modern science and the scientific method, but decide scientists are a bunch of lying tossers who shouldn't be believed as soon as they say something inconvenient. |
Nick G (16709) | ||
| 1437386 | 2017-07-21 11:10:00 | And theres the issue . Non one has temp data going back 2 thousand years. The UK used to be much warmer in the past (deduced by the type of animals & plants that used be be there) , now its colder than it was pre-man . Global colding , caused by man. See how easy it is to cheery pick evidence The 'scientists' have been caught manipulating data to suit. The warming propagandists rely on the old "I know best , you are stupid" arguement , as used in this thread . Perhaps that shows the true level of reasoning of the propagandists . The "all the scientists agree" is still thrown out there, totally ignoring the fact that is blatantly untrue. Thats the level warming propagandists will go to. What happened to all the Pacific Islands that would be underwater by now... didnt happen. Dont ignore predictions that turn out to be wildly wrong Yes man has deforested a high % of the planet. Yes CO2 from burning is higher now than ever in the past (deduced from artic ice core samples) But please, some sanity in this debate. The I now better, all scientists agree , your arguement is stupid level of debate from the warming propagandists just shows to many how thin their arguments are. Call those who disagree "deniers" , subtlety comparing them to Holocaust deniers.... if thats the level of emotive propaganda that one side will stoop too..... :banana Lets not pretend that the earths temp doesnt naturally go up over time & down regardless of what man did (even when humans didnt exist) 1) The vast majority of scientists do agree. Not all, but the vast majority. If people could actually produce evidence to disprove the current theory, this would change. 2) A couple of scientists manipulating data does not mean all scientists are wrong. If you're referring to the Michael Mann study, read the actual consensus around his study. 3) You're cherry picking evidence, climate scientists are not. 4) Absolutely no one is saying the temperature doesn't naturally vary over time. You're stupid and deluded, with no knowledge about the topic you're talking about - it shows :) |
Nick G (16709) | ||
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