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Thread ID: 83321	2007-09-27 10:01:00	Take the union jack from NZ flag	tedheath (537)	PC World Chat

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595712	2007-09-28 15:37:00	There is little the government could do that would cause more division or consternation than changing the flag.	GoodHour (12218)
595713	2007-09-28 21:11:00	if it aint broke - why fix it. Leave it as it is. Don't understand all the animosity towards the british people. Pathetic if you ask me. Far more important things to worry about. Like crime, education, road safety etc. Why waste all the time and money discussing something that wont change a thing. Sure - change the flag one day. Become a republic one day. But why the hurry? I'd wait until the Queen pops her clogs.	legod (4626)
595714	2007-09-28 21:30:00	if it aint broke - why fix it. Leave it as it is. Don't understand all the animosity towards the british people. Pathetic if you ask me. Far more important things to worry about. Like crime, education, road safety etc. Why waste all the time and money discussing something that wont change a thing.I agree. There are more important things that need to be done than debate whether to change the flag or not. I like it as it is, New Zealand was settled by the British and thus the flag reflects that. I don't see why people have this desire to change everything just for the sake of changing.	maccrazy (6741)
595715	2007-09-28 21:45:00	Its just a con by auntie Helen to get us talking about something else until she gets back. Usually when she goes somewhere one of her own screws up.	wotz (335)
595716	2007-09-29 00:35:00	7. "We shouldn't change our flag because people fought under it" or words to that effect. More garbage. We fought those wars out of loyalty to Britain - in WW1 we even allowed them to command our troops and murder them by firing squad. Never again. The current flag is a reminder of our colonisation and the loss of two generations of leaders. Patriotism is not dependent upon reminders of the past - it is about loyalty to the country of your birth, and a desire to hold on to the present. Im pretty sure you need to go study your history there mate. Sure we fought those wars, but did you ever notice why they were called 'World' Wars? Mainly because most of developed world was involved with the conflict. I suppose you are also ignorant to the fact that during WW1 we had our own ships sunk just off the coast of NZ by German submarines? And during WW2, at one stage we had 14 'accounted for' German U-boats encircling our coast preying on our shipping? This hardly seems as though we were merely fighting out of loyalty, we were fighting for the freedom we all enjoy today. I hardly think that the NZ fighting force would have been able to take on the entire German war machine on its own, so I think that we where helping Britain and the rest of the Allied nations to defeat the German army from carrying out their full intentions. I for one, am very grateful for the fact that our soldiers helped in the conflict. Also, if our troops agreed to be commanded by British generals etc. then they should have to abide by the rules the British lay down, correct? So when they didn't, and tried to desert etc, the British had every right to perform their current method of punishment on them. We didn't just say, "Here are our troops, execute them by firing squad please!" There would have been reasons to what was done.	Bozo (8540)
595717	2007-09-29 01:14:00	I like it as it is, New Zealand was settled by the British and thus the flag reflects that. I don't think so........you might want to check your NZ history.......	andrew93 (249)
595718	2007-09-29 01:23:00	Also, if our troops agreed to be commanded by British generals etc. then they should have to abide by the rules the British lay down, correct? So when they didn't, and tried to desert etc, the British had every right to perform their current method of punishment on them. I recommend you read up on the wholesale slaughter of the ANZAC troops by the Germans at the hands of British command before siding with the British on this argument. There were instances where the German commanders were begging the British to stop sending their soldiers 'over the top'. I think you will find this is what was meant by 'firing squad'. In any case, what position are you in to criticise deserters? Were you there?	andrew93 (249)
595719	2007-09-29 02:19:00	I recommend you read up on the wholesale slaughter of the ANZAC troops by the Germans at the hands of British command before siding with the British on this argument. There were instances where the German commanders were begging the British to stop sending their soldiers 'over the top'. I think you will find this is what was meant by 'firing squad'. In any case, what position are you in to criticise deserters? Were you there? I follow you now. Fair call. Some of the battles fought in WW1 are probably some of the most illogically fought battles to date. A list of casualties can be found here (www.firstworldwar.com). I am not criticizing the deserters, but you have to understand the situation of the war at this time. Russia had just opted out (for revolutionary reasons), thus freeing up more than half a million german troops to come and fight at the western front. The French had been suffering huge losses (thanks to ridiculous commanders) and desertion was rife at this time. So the British were trying to stomp out any ideas of desertion by executing deserters. Failure on the western front at this stage of the war, could have ended it in favor of the Germans. I don't blame those who tried deserting (infact, I would have probably joined them, had I been there). Sure the ANZACS suffered terribly, but so did the British, French, Russians, Germans, everyone! BTW, since about the age of 8, I have read practically every book in our city's library, done many projects/reports, bought and read countless other books on both WW1 and WW2 and do understand what happened with the ANZAC troops during WW1.	Bozo (8540)
595720	2007-09-29 02:21:00	The whole "war" argument is a waste of time. In any war, sh*t happens. We shouldn't judge soldiers actions in wartime using peacetime standards - especially if you weren't there to experience it.	johcar (6283)
595721	2007-09-29 02:25:00	The whole "war" argument is a waste of time. In any war, sh*t happens. We shouldn't judge soldiers actions in wartime using peacetime standards - especially if you weren't there to experience it. Agreed. War is a terrible thing, and we should alway remember those that sacrificed their lives, so that we can enjoy the freedom we do today.	Bozo (8540)
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