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Thread ID: 83426	2007-10-01 17:26:00	iBrick Update	SurferJoe46 (51)	PC World Chat

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596886	2007-10-02 03:14:00	so i spent the next 30 minutes explaining to him that his Nokia 3205 does everything he needs (hes still in school) and if he buys an iPhone im sure his parents would strangle him for it ( im sure most people baulk at the price of it straight off the bat) and id strangle him for it just because he has the idiocy and sheep-like attitude that would see him buying an iPhone im going to have to lie down for a bit....... :p Unless he has a decent Wifi service at his school, much of the iPhones capabilities wouldn't be of much use to him apart from the music playing - which any MP3 player will do.	winmacguy (3367)
596887	2007-10-02 03:25:00	my brother said those horrid words today "OMG LOL DAT IFONE LUKS GR8 I MITE GT A LOAN 2 BY WUN!" good god im only 18 and i nearly had a heart attack :lol: after a good smack around the back of the head - the idiot speak stopped so i spent the next 30 minutes explaining to him that his Nokia 3205 does everything he needs (hes still in school) and if he buys an iPhone im sure his parents would strangle him for it ( im sure most people baulk at the price of it straight off the bat) and id strangle him for it just because he has the idiocy and sheep-like attitude that would see him buying an iPhone im going to have to lie down for a bit....... :p Sheep like would be him having an attitude like yours:horrified	plod (107)
596888	2007-10-02 03:33:00	Sheep like would be him having an attitude like yours:horrified :lol: That would be kinda hard to avoid since they are brothers:eek: Anti-competitive, monopolising etc. It's not the same at all, of course, because people don't have to use iPhones, but I don't think it's a good business stategy and it will hurt them in the end. Have a read of this www.rcrnews.com	winmacguy (3367)
596889	2007-10-02 03:57:00	Have a read of this www.rcrnews.com That just confirmed most of what I said. They don't just want to make money off the phone, they want to rake the profit in over the whole life of the phone. The fact that this is an anticompetitive stategy can't be disputed, and anyone can see the parallels to Microsoft, but my opinion that it is a bad move is something that only time can prove right or wrong. I don't care at all how well the iPhone sells. I disagree with locking users to a provider and then raking the cash in every month for the life of a phone. There's a reason this practice is illegal in many countries.	george12 (7)
596890	2007-10-02 04:08:00	That just confirmed most of what I said. They don't just want to make money off the phone, they want to rake the profit in over the whole life of the phone. Last time I checked neither MS nor Apple were charitable organizations. Both companies make products that both provide a service for the end user and make a large profit for either Apple or MS. I don't care at all how well the iPhone sells. I disagree with locking users to a provider and then raking the cash in every month for the life of a phone. There's a reason this practice is illegal in many countries. Its not illegal it is just a different and very successful way of doing business although the end users may eventually force some form of change to the arrangement. Apple is basing the concept on the way it set up the successful iTunes/iPod combo. What would be illegal is if Apple only made the OS for the phone and then tried to force every other competitor off the phone like MS did with IE on 3rd party PCs. Because Apple makes both the phone and the OS and creates a user demand for the end product so that it can do want it wants which is something the mobile telecoms are going to have to get used to dealing with in much the same way that record companies are having a hard time dealing with Apple over the pricing structure of digital music (one price mostly fits all music) as opposed to new CDs costing way more than old CDs which leads to pirated music.	winmacguy (3367)
596891	2007-10-02 04:21:00	Last time I checked neither MS nor Apple were charitable organizations. Both companies make products that both provide a service for the end user and make a large profit for either Apple or MS. Its not illegal it is just a different and very successful way of doing business although the end users may eventually force some form of change to the arrangement. Apple is basing the concept on the way it set up the successful iTunes/iPod combo. What would be illegal is if Apple only made the OS for the phone and then tried to force every other competitor off the phone like MS did with IE on 3rd party PCs. Because Apple makes both the phone and the OS and creates a user demand for the end product so that it can do want it wants which is something the mobile telecoms are going to have to get used to dealing with in much the same way that record companies are having a hard time dealing with Apple over the pricing structure of digital music (one price mostly fits all music) as opposed to new CDs costing way more than old CDs which leads to pirated music. In Europe, providers must unlock phones when requested or the contract is terminated.	george12 (7)
596892	2007-10-02 04:25:00	It will be interesting to see what happens with Apple in France and Germany then as contract negotiations are currently underway with the respective Telcos.	winmacguy (3367)
596893	2007-10-02 04:27:00	Yep. The first article in the thread suggests their may be problems with the EU regarding their unlocking policies. We'll see I guess.	george12 (7)
596894	2007-10-02 04:27:00	In Europe, providers must unlock phones when requested or the contract is terminated. Thats the same in the USA after 90days. Butt at&t don't have the means to do it. In NZ a locked phone or unlocked phone it makes no difference, our locked into the vodafone or telecom network. I for one if in the states wouldn't buy one on that principal alone, but since this whole unlocking business means total squat in this country with no competition within network types the whole thing means nothing to us	plod (107)
596895	2007-10-02 04:31:00	Exactly. I buy from companies that like to keep their customers happy. Apple is keeping their phones locked at all costs to extract every possible cent from every person that buys an iPhone. Moving to some country that doesn't have an iPhone contract yet? Tough. Even if you cancel your contract (by paying a fee!) you're not getting an unlock code, because AT&T don't even HAVE it.	george12 (7)
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