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Thread ID: 83546	2007-10-05 11:06:00	Jury penalises music file-sharer	legod (4626)	PC World Chat

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598286	2007-10-06 08:24:00	Movies and music (individual tracks rather than whole CDs) SPAM from 2 million compromised PCs (Storm Worm) around the globe also contributes to a high percentage of internet traffic - although not related to bit torrent.	winmacguy (3367)
598287	2007-10-06 22:40:00	The change is well documented here nz.news.yahoo.com	winmacguy (3367)
598288	2007-10-06 23:36:00	The money was rediculous, but she knew she was doing something illegal no matter how you look at it. She got caught, then tried to fight it.	rob_on_guitar (4196)
598289	2007-10-06 23:39:00	The money was rediculous, but she knew she was doing something illegal no matter how you look at it. She got caught, then tried to fight it. Talking to the 15-20 something age group who use Limewire for downloading songs like most of us breath.	winmacguy (3367)
598290	2007-10-06 23:41:00	I bet there is some kid with thousands of tracks and is sharing them and is only around 10. Who gets wasted then?:confused:	rob_on_guitar (4196)
598291	2007-10-06 23:48:00	I bet there is some kid with thousands of tracks and is sharing them and is only around 10. Who gets wasted then?:confused: The artist because either way they still get shafted by the music industry or the RIAA. The CD is going the way of the 8 Track and the cassette tape. The eventual winner will be the 99c DRM FREE download in either MP3 or AAC (AAC being the higher quality) With illegal file sharing, kids and teens are only sharing individual tracks that they like and if they really do like the band will either pay to see them in concert (likely)or buy the whole CD (unlikely) More bands are actually moving to MySpace to promote themselves without signing up to a Big name labels that just rip them off anyway.	winmacguy (3367)
598292	2007-10-07 04:40:00	A little US law here . What happened here was a total sham . The woman was not proven to be the downloader . She alluded to a grandchild or something, and that she (the woman) could not be proved to have downloaded the files and THAT should have thrown the case out of court . I'm not saying that she wasn't guilty . . . she prolly was . . but that's a moot point of law . It is part of the initial INVESTIGATION, but not for penalty and prosecution that her IP was flagged; there should have had to be a full disclosure and a cease-and-desist order issued to her and her ISP first . Failing that, this was a dog and pony show . It was a lynching . Prima facia evidence as presented was just hearsay and was not really good enough to convict in the first place . The judge misinformed the jury and they fell for the M$ line . She had to actually be caught in the act for this to stick, and she was not . Guilt for just owning a computer with the capacity to download was the argument and legal disclosure laws and logic went out the window . The prosecution's argument was that it was her IP and her ISP and her computer so therefor the downloading was at the hands of "Jane Doe-defense" which is a cover-all alias that is used to indicate that the actual perpetrator has not been named, but will be so at conviction . This was so trumped up that she shouldda walked . . . but the jury said they were totally convinced that she had broken laws and statutes of the US trademark and registry act . On the allegations alone, this should never have gotten to the court in the first place . The US Bill of Rights demands full evidential disclosure, and this too was not allowed . Her attorney was blindsided and hobbled by special instructions from the judge . What YOUSE guys don't see was that a lot of the "evidence" gathered was from her use of WMP as a player in her machine . . and it reported back to M$ that there's dirty work afoot on her puter . Guilty as she might have been or not, this gathered evidence was without a judges signed warrant and none was provided or issued . Internet traffic to a P2P, warez, and/or Limewire was reported by her ISP as the next nail in her coffin . There never was a search warrant issued to get that information . . . it was "threatened out" of her provider by RIAA/MPAA attorneys . This is absolutely guilt by association . It is not in any way sufficient for a conviction . . . . . . however it IS sufficient for an investigation with legal warrants and court orders if they have been issued . It's akin to wiretapping without a warrant: legal to investigate IF a good case can be built on other or subsequent evidence and not the evidence gathered by the illegal activities . A real judge would throw that out in a heartbeat and fine the information gathering facility too . What youse guys don't seem to understand is that now there is a legal precedent that has been set for this sort of jackbooted investigation and prosecution on a worldwide basis . You are next! It's the WGA/WDRM/RIAA/MPAA goons and their evil spawn that are out to get everyone that lives in countries that have extradition and international trademark/copyright laws with the US . I have been warning youse guys about v11 of THAT media player and some just blindly say: "I like it, it's cool to me" or some such drivel . You are being red-flagged as you use it . You will eventually see that this is very sinister and devious on the part for all concerned . This is a conspiracy that you are failing to note . Paranoid? Yup! And you should be too .	SurferJoe46 (51)
598293	2007-10-07 04:50:00	I think the RIAA (cough) Mafia (cough) can stick their law suits up their a** for all the good they do. Maybe if they actually worked with software companies and make tracks cheaper - which is happening due to public demand aka iTunes and Amazon they might actually achieve something beneficial as opposed to a complete farce like this. Thanks for the article SJ. :)	winmacguy (3367)
598294	2007-10-07 05:27:00	I have been warning youse guys about v11 of THAT media player and some just blindly say: "I like it, it's cool to me" or some such drivel. You are being red-flagged as you use it. You will eventually see that this is very sinister and devious on the part for all concerned. Can you please elaborate on this. Are you saying Windows Media Player will lead someone playing illegal files to be 'dobbed' in?	legod (4626)
598295	2007-10-07 05:27:00	A little US law here . What happened here was a total sham . The woman was not proven to be the downloader . She alluded to a grandchild or something, and that she (the woman) could not be proved to have downloaded the files and THAT should have thrown the case out of court . I'm not saying that she wasn't guilty . . . she prolly was . . but that's a moot point of law . It is part of the initial INVESTIGATION, but not for penalty and prosecution that her IP was flagged; there should have had to be a full disclosure and a cease-and-desist order issued to her and her ISP first . Failing that, this was a dog and pony show . It was a lynching . Prima facia evidence as presented was just hearsay and was not really good enough to convict in the first place . The judge misinformed the jury and they fell for the M$ line . She had to actually be caught in the act for this to stick, and she was not . Guilt for just owning a computer with the capacity to download was the argument and legal disclosure laws and logic went out the window . The prosecution's argument was that it was her IP and her ISP and her computer so therefor the downloading was at the hands of "Jane Doe-defense" which is a cover-all alias that is used to indicate that the actual perpetrator has not been named, but will be so at conviction . This was so trumped up that she shouldda walked . . . but the jury said they were totally convinced that she had broken laws and statutes of the US trademark and registry act . On the allegations alone, this should never have gotten to the court in the first place . The US Bill of Rights demands full evidential disclosure, and this too was not allowed . Her attorney was blindsided and hobbled by special instructions from the judge . What YOUSE guys don't see was that a lot of the "evidence" gathered was from her use of WMP as a player in her machine . . and it reported back to M$ that there's dirty work afoot on her puter . Guilty as she might have been or not, this gathered evidence was without a judges signed warrant and none was provided or issued . Internet traffic to a P2P, warez, and/or Limewire was reported by her ISP as the next nail in her coffin . There never was a search warrant issued to get that information . . . it was "threatened out" of her provider by RIAA/MPAA attorneys . This is absolutely guilt by association . It is not in any way sufficient for a conviction . . . . . . however it IS sufficient for an investigation with legal warrants and court orders if they have been issued . It's akin to wiretapping without a warrant: legal to investigate IF a good case can be built on other or subsequent evidence and not the evidence gathered by the illegal activities . A real judge would throw that out in a heartbeat and fine the information gathering facility too . What youse guys don't seem to understand is that now there is a legal precedent that has been set for this sort of jackbooted investigation and prosecution on a worldwide basis . You are next! It's the WGA/WDRM/RIAA/MPAA goons and their evil spawn that are out to get everyone that lives in countries that have extradition and international trademark/copyright laws with the US . I have been warning youse guys about v11 of THAT media player and some just blindly say: "I like it, it's cool to me" or some such drivel . You are being red-flagged as you use it . You will eventually see that this is very sinister and devious on the part for all concerned . This is a conspiracy that you are failing to note . Paranoid? Yup! And you should be too . How do you know WMP 11 was involved??	Twelvevolts (5457)
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